
In late 2024 a CT scan revealed a small amount of soft plaque in my arteries. Sixteen months later I scanned again, and my plaque volume had dropped by around forty percent. In this episode I ask the cardiologist behind the technology whether a result like that can really be trusted.
Dr Campbell Rogers is an interventional cardiologist, a former Harvard faculty member who ran the cath lab at Brigham and Women's Hospital, and now Chief Medical Officer at Heartflow.
What we cover:
The difference between a calcium score, a CT coronary angiogram, and AI plaque analysis
Why a calcium score of zero does not mean you are free of disease
What my own scans showed, and why Campbell believes the result
Soft versus calcified plaque, and why calcification can be a sign of stabilisation
Treating the plaque you can see rather than just an ApoB number
Who should consider getting scanned, and the honest trade-offs
This is a conversation about seeing a disease we used to only guess at, held with the right amount of scientific humility. If you want to understand your own heart health, I think it is well worth your time.
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To connect with Dr Campbell Rogers, visit Heartflow.
How Campbell Rogers went from cardiologist to Heartflow (00:00)
What Heartflow is and how it works (07:26)
Coronary CT angiogram vs. stress test (11:54)
Why symptoms alone miss early heart disease (13:18)
How Heartflow analyzes CT scans in 90 minutes (15:58)
Calcified vs. non-calcified plaque: which is riskier (21:28)
Why calcium score zero doesn't mean no heart disease (28:45)
Who should get a CT angiogram with AI plaque analysis (31:09)
Why seeing your plaque improves medication adherence (34:04)
Simon's 2024 Heartflow scan results (39:12)
How plaque rupture triggers a heart attack (43:25)
Simon's 2026 Heartflow scan: 40% plaque reduction in 16 months (45:43)
How long to wait between CT scans (51:14)
Heartflow vs. Cleerly vs. QAngio (53:12)
How Heartflow results led Simon to start statins (58:21)
JAMA study: Heartflow tracks plaque in prostate cancer patients (1:00:10)
What is low attenuation plaque and why it's high risk (1:02:53)
Who should ask their doctor about a coronary CT angiogram (1:07:37)
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Jul 6
1 hr 15 min

Can a supplement actually reverse the plaque in your arteries, or only slow it down? It is the question I am asked most, and after a 2024 scan revealed early plaque in my own left anterior descending artery, it became a personal one too.
This is part two of my three-part series on reversing atherosclerosis. In this solo episode I work through eight of the most popular supplements and rank them by the strength of the human evidence, not the strength of the marketing.
What we cover:
Why pure EPA has by far the strongest evidence for regressing plaque, and what EVAPORATE, CHERRY, JELIS, and REDUCE-IT showed
The REDUCE-IT versus STRENGTH debate, and why the form of omega-3 may matter as much as the dose
Aged garlic extract and vitamin K2: what the imaging and calcification data suggest
Niacin and the biomarker trap: raising "good" cholesterol without lowering risk
Where CoQ10, berberine, nattokinase, and pomegranate extract really sit, plus a fact-check of a popular nattokinase claim
My own plan after that scan, and a preview of part three on the pharmaceuticals
Only one of these eight has strong evidence behind it, and even then it is a prescription rather than a tub from the supplement aisle. Supplements can be useful additions, but never a replacement for the proven basics.
You can see exactly what I take over at my personal supplement stack.
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Can Supplements Actually Reverse Arterial Plaque? (00:00)
EVAPORATE Trial: High-Dose EPA Reversed Plaque by 9% (02:09)
Why Pure EPA Outperforms Standard Fish Oil (07:22)
JELIS to REDUCE-IT: EPA Cuts Cardiac Events by 25% (10:10)
REDUCE-IT Controversy and RESPECT-EPA 2024 (13:47)
VITAL Trial: Omega-3 for Healthy Adults + 2026 Lp(a) Data (16:51)
Aged Garlic Extract: 3 Trials on Plaque and Calcification (20:09)
Vitamin K2: Does Redirecting Calcium Lower Heart Risk? (23:17)
Niacin Failed: Why Raising HDL Didn't Save Lives (27:50)
CoQ10: Promising Mechanism, No Plaque Imaging Proof (33:18)
Berberine: The Gut Pathway No Other Supplement Uses (38:21)
Nattokinase: One Study Says 36% Drop, One Says Zero (41:16)
Pomegranate Extract: Strong Animal Data, Weak Human Trials (49:16)
Which Supplements Can Actually Reverse Atherosclerosis? (53:18)
Simon's Personal Protocol for Reversing LAD Plaque (55:24)
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Jun 29
1 hr 2 min

For decades we have treated the number on the scale as the goal of metabolic health. Dr Mauricio Gonzalez, a triple board-certified physician and endocrinology fellow practising in New York, makes the case that we have been measuring the wrong thing.
In this conversation we explore why liver fat, not body weight, is becoming the real target, what the latest weight-loss medications can and cannot do, and how to cut through the hype and dogma that surround this field.
What we cover:
Why isolated blood tests and blood pressure readings tell you very little
The myth that GLP-1 medications are "the easy way out"
Why liver fat may matter more than body weight
How diabetes clinics now remove medications instead of adding them
Which supplements earn their place, and which Mauricio has cooled on
The minimum effective dose for exercise, and knowing when "enough" is enough
A grounded, practical conversation with a doctor who meets people where they are. If you enjoy the show, please take a moment to rate and review The Proof on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, it genuinely helps more people find these conversations.
To connect with Dr Mauricio Gonzalez, follow him on Instagram, X, and YouTube, or visit his website at drmauriciogonzalez.com.
Intro (00:00)
Minimum Effective Dose for Exercise (01:38)
Why Continuity of Care Reduces Mortality (07:09)
How Type 2 Diabetes Silently Develops Over 12 Years (09:23)
Statin vs. PCSK9 Inhibitor: How Doctors Choose (12:45)
How GLP-1 Drugs Transformed the Diabetes Clinic (21:46)
Why Doctors Now Measure Organ Fat, Not Body Weight (30:25)
How Fatty Liver Disease Is Diagnosed (34:05)
How Liver Fat Drives Insulin Resistance (40:47)
Wegovy vs. Zepbound: How to Choose a GLP-1 (48:18)
Should Lean People Use GLP-1s for Metabolic Health? (51:53)
Why Patients Feel Guilty Taking GLP-1s (54:13)
How Mauricio’s Nutrition Advice Has Evolved Over a Decade (01:04:35)
Supplements on GLP-1s: What's Worth Taking (01:09:42)
Minimum Effective Dose for Resistance Training (01:16:52)
When Health Optimization Becomes Counterproductive (01:21:20)
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Jun 22
1 hr 29 min

In this episode, exercise physiologist Dr Margie Davenport walks me through what the evidence actually shows about exercise during pregnancy and the postpartum period. Margie chaired the 2019 Canadian Guideline for Physical Activity throughout Pregnancy, the 2025 Canadian postpartum guideline, and the upcoming International Olympic Committee consensus statement on athletes through pregnancy and postpartum.
We cover where the 140 bpm rule came from, the scale of the benefits at the population level, what direct fetal monitoring during HIIT and heavy lifting really shows, the new postpartum data, and why so many of the historical prohibitions do not survive contact with the data.
What we cover:
Where the 1985 "stay below 140 bpm" rule came from, and why it has long outlived its evidence
Around 40 percent fewer cases of preeclampsia and gestational diabetes, and around 67 percent fewer cases of depression during pregnancy
HIIT, heavy resistance training, and what fetal monitoring shows
The 51 percent reduction in complications among women who kept lifting heavy
Postpartum: the six-week myth, breastfeeding and injury risk, and a 45 percent reduction in postpartum depression
The short list of actual "don'ts": scuba diving, and a few situational cautions
The paradigm shift from prohibition to shared decision-making
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To connect with Dr Margie Davenport, visit exerciseandpregnancy.ca, follow her on Instagram at @DrMargieDavenport, or find her on LinkedIn and YouTube.
Intro (00:00)
Why Pregnancy Exercise Advice Feels So Confusing (01:15)
The Most Damaging Myth About Exercise In Pregnancy (03:08)
How Exercise Cuts Pregnancy Complications By 40% (05:05)
Why Pregnant Women Were Excluded From Research (07:46)
Can You Do High Intensity Workouts While Pregnant (12:49)
How Exercise Lowers Preeclampsia And Diabetes Risk (16:43)
How Much Exercise Is Safe During Pregnancy (27:03)
Is Heavy Lifting Safe During Pregnancy (32:10)
What You Should Never Do While Pregnant (40:41)
Pelvic Floor Exercises Every Pregnant Woman Needs (47:41)
How To Know If You're Overexerting While Pregnant (56:12)
Does Exercise Affect Fertility And Conception (1:00:42)
Why The 140 BPM Myth Still Exists (1:04:52)
How Exercise Improves Postpartum Mental Health And Sleep (1:09:28)
The Truth About The 6 Week Postpartum Rule (1:11:32)
Does Breastfeeding Increase Your Risk Of Injury (1:17:13)
Why Pregnant Athletes Need Better Policy Support (1:19:56)
What Future Pregnancy Exercise Research Will Reveal (1:24:50)
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Jun 15
1 hr 33 min

GLP-1 medications are now part of the mainstream conversation, but the biology of appetite and satiety, the system these drugs operate within, gets far less attention than the drugs themselves. In this episode, I sit down with Dr Federica Amati, Head Nutritionist at ZOE and author of the new book The Appetite Reset, to explore what's actually happening in the gut and brain when appetite signals do their job, and what that means for everyone, on or off medication.
Federica brings a rare combination of pharmacology, clinical nutrition, and public health expertise to a subject that rarely receives this level of nuance. This is a conversation about understanding your biology well enough to work with it.
What we cover:
How GLP-1 works naturally in the body, why the natural peptide lasts minutes while the drug version lasts days, and why this matters for anyone using or considering these medications
The three types of hunger (hedonic, homeostatic, and microbiota-driven) and how to tell them apart in practice
Why GLP-1 supplements don't replicate what the medications do
"Prehab" before starting medication: gut microbiome diversity, fibre intake, and nutrient status as the foundation
Why the 30g daily fibre target doesn't drop when calorie intake does on medication
Protein targets of 1.2 to 1.6g per kilogram and resistance training three times a week as the most critical protective interventions for muscle and bone health
The science on shame, weight stigma, and why treating obesity as a lifestyle choice is both inaccurate and actively harmful
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To connect with Dr Federica Amati, follow her on Instagram at instagram.com/dr.fede.amati or explore her work through ZOE at zoe.com. Her new book, The Appetite Reset, will be released on June 25 and is available to pre-order now.
Intro (00:00)
Why Everyone Needs to Understand Appetite Biology (01:14)
How Dr. Federica Amati Became a Nutrition Expert (03:06)
Why GLP-1 Drugs Are Different From Any Supplement (11:29)
The Gila Monster That Led to Ozempic (17:44)
What Is Food Noise and Why It Controls You (20:20)
Why Willpower Isn't the Problem: Genetics and Epigenetics (24:06)
How GLP-1s Change Your Relationship With Food and Joy (30:54)
Lowest Effective Dose: Why More Isn't Better (34:08)
The Muscle Loss Risk Nobody Warns You About (39:34)
Microdosing GLP-1s: Does It Work or Is It Dangerous (41:59)
The Three Types of Hunger and How to Tell Them Apart (44:51)
How Your Gut Microbes Drive Cravings and Leptin Resistance (50:17)
Why Calories Alone Don't Explain Appetite (58:07)
How to Manage Food Noise Without a GLP-1 (01:04:46)
Prehab Before GLP-1s (01:11:09)
The Fiber, Fat, and Gut Prep Protocol for GLP-1 Users (01:13:56)
What Clinical Trials Actually Include That Real-World Use Doesn't (01:21:41)
Do You Need Supplements on a GLP-1? (01:27:15)
Obesity Is Not a Lifestyle Choice: Shame, Stigma, and GLP-1s (01:29:49)
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Jun 9
1 hr 33 min

In this episode, I sit down with bariatric surgeon and science communicator Dr Terry Simpson for a wide-ranging conversation about health misinformation, GLP-1 medications, statins, ApoB, the Mediterranean diet, and the loud contrarians who dominate social media. Terry has familial hypercholesterolemia, a family history of premature cardiovascular disease, and lost 50 pounds on tirzepatide, all of which give him unusual personal stakes in these debates.
What we cover:
How to think about uncertainty in science, and Terry's heuristic for spotting misinformation
The Gila monster origin story of GLP-1 medications, and the difference between native and pharmacological GLP-1
What food noise actually is, and Terry's own experience on tirzepatide
His personal case for statins, an LDL of 190 brought into the 40s, and an ApoB in the 40s
A defence of Ancel Keys and the Mediterranean diet
Where the carnivore, anti-statin, seed oil, and nattokinase narratives fall apart
Compounded GLP-1s, peptide deregulation, and why the FDA still matters
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To connect with Dr Terry Simpson, visit terrysimpson.com, find him on TikTok at @drterrysimpson, Instagram at @drterrysimpsonmd, X at @drterrysimpson, and Substack at @drsimpson. His podcast is The Unfiltered MD.
Intro (00:00)
Why Carnivore and Anti-Vax Are Today's Biggest Health Lies (01:02)
Doctors, COVID and the Cost of Speaking Up Online (03:58)
How to Spot a Health Huckster (13:25)
Will GLP-1 Drugs Make Bariatric Surgery Obsolete (19:12)
A Bariatric Surgeon's Personal Decision to Take a GLP-1 Drug (22:54)
Willpower Is Not the Problem: What Food Noise Actually Feels Like (26:23)
Why Ancel Keys Was Right and Low Carb Got It Wrong (32:51)
Mediterranean Diet Results That Stopped a Trial Early (39:50)
Are GLP-1 Drugs the Greatest Medical Breakthrough This Century (47:38)
The Real Danger of Buying Compounded GLP-1 Drugs Online (51:27)
BPC-157 and Peptides: Why FDA Guardrails Actually Matter (59:42)
Familial Hypercholesterolemia, Statins and a Personal Wake Up Call (01:04:69)
Inflammation vs. ApoB: What Actually Causes a Heart Attack (01:13:04)
CT Angiogram Results and Keto CTA Data Explained (01:16:33)
Fish Oil vs. Eating Fish: Why the Supplement Doesn't Replicate the Food (01:24:35)
Simon's Plant Based Diet, Seed Oils and Cooking with Olive Oil (01:28:07)
The Seed Oil Debate: Are People Just Afraid of Modern Chemistry (01:33:17)
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Simon Hill, MSc, BSc (Hons)
Creator of theproof.com
Host of The Proof with Simon Hill
Author of The Proof is in the Plants
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Jun 1
1 hr 42 min

In this episode, I’m joined by Sarah Ann Macklin to explore the hidden psychological costs of modern wellness culture and why pursuing health can sometimes leave us feeling more anxious, overwhelmed, and disconnected.
Sarah shares insights from her new book, Healthy Shouldn’t Be This Hard, as we unpack self-compassion, perfectionism, body image, mindset, and the pressure to constantly optimise every aspect of our lives.
What We Cover
Why wellness culture can become emotionally exhausting
The difference between self-esteem and self-compassion
How mindset shapes long-term health behaviours
The psychological side of food, body image, and self-worth
Why optimisation culture can backfire
Practical ways to build a healthier relationship with yourself
I really enjoyed this conversation with Sarah and appreciated her thoughtful, balanced perspective on what genuine wellbeing actually looks like in practice.
Pre-order Sarah’s new book, Healthy Shouldn’t Be This Hard, and follow her on Instagram, subscribe to her YouTube channel, and read her writing on Substack. You can also learn more about Sarah and her work on her website.
Intro (00:00)
What Wellness Culture Is Getting Wrong Right Now (01:16)
The Chambermaid Study: How Mindset Changes Your Body (05:48)
The Milkshake Study: Your Perception Affects Your Metabolism (07:06)
Sarah's Modeling Career, Collapse, and ER Wake-Up Call (09:11)
How Social Media Weaponizes Self-Comparison (14:01)
Has Optimization Culture Gone Too Far? (17:58)
How to Know When Health Habits Become Counterproductive (22:36)
Self-Compassion Is a Muscle — Here's How to Build It (27:28)
How Common Is Beating Yourself Up Over Health? (30:26)
The Chocolate Bar Test: Audit Your Self-Compassion (36:33)
How to Reconnect with Your Real Hunger Signals (39:36)
The 3-Step Compassion Framework for Eating Decisions (40:57)
Discipline vs. Self-Compassion: They're Not Opposites (43:44)
The "Friend Filter": The Simplest Self-Compassion Tool (57:12)
What Better Wellness Culture Looks Like in 5 Years (01:02:17)
Where to Find Sarah's Book "Healthy Shouldn't Be This Hard” (01:04:48)
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Simon Hill, MSc, BSc (Hons)
Creator of theproof.com
Host of The Proof with Simon Hill
Author of The Proof is in the Plants
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Nourish your gut with my Plant-Based Ferments Guide and download my Two-Week Meal Plan.
May 28
1 hr 10 min

Six years on from our first conversation, global meat consumption is at a record high, and the harms of industrial animal agriculture have only deepened. Bruce Friedrich, founder of the Good Food Institute, is back on the podcast to argue that the answer is not asking people to eat less, but rebuilding meat itself from the ground up.
Bruce is the author of the new book Meat: How the Next Agricultural Revolution Will Transform Humanity's Favorite Food and Our Future, and one of the most thoughtful voices working on alternative proteins anywhere in the world.
What we cover:
Why public health messaging on meat has not changed consumption since the 1960s
The four harms of industrial animal agriculture
An honest post-mortem on Beyond Meat and the plant-based industry
Where cultivated meat actually sits in 2026
Why this transition needs governments, not only venture capital
The ultra-processed food backlash and what the science really shows
To connect with Bruce Friedrich, you can find his book at meatbook.org, learn more about the Good Food Institute at gfi.org, follow him on X at x.com/BruceGFriedrich, or connect with him on LinkedIn at linkedin.com/in/brucegfriedrich.
Support the work of the Good Food Institute. Listener donations will be matched dollar-for-dollar up to $30,000: gfidonorportal.donorsupport.co
Intro (00:00)
Why Feeding Crops to Animals Is Destroying the Planet (02:02)
Is Everything Getting Worse? A 6-Year Update (07:33)
Plant-Based Meat: Honest Assessment of What Went Wrong (13:42)
Did These Products Come to Market Too Early? (19:42)
What US Government Support for Alt Proteins Should Look Like (25:56)
35 Governments Are Now Funding This Research (33:12)
Why Conservative States Banned Cultured Meat (36:42)
Are Traditional Meat Companies Actually on Board? (40:07)
Why Meat Consumption Will Keep Rising Until 2050 (47:06)
Is Innovation Actually Stalling? The Real Picture (52:10)
Why Cultivated Meat May Beat Plant-Based to the Finish Line (56:47)
The Science of Plant Fats vs. Animal Fats Explained (01:00:22)
The Biggest Blind Spot in Plant-Based Meat Today (01:07:35)
Cultivated Meat Regulatory Milestones: From Zero to 5 Countries (01:14:13)
The Only Engineering Challenge That Could Doom Cultured Meat (01:18:05)
FDA Approval, Chicken with Cancer, and Why Cultured Meat Is Safer (01:20:30)
Cultured Meat Prices Dropped 100,000x in 12 Years (01:25:21)
Vow Foods' SpaceX-Inspired Bioreactor Breakthrough (01:30:42)
How GFI Raises Money And a $30K Donation Match (01:34:55)
The Protein Myth: Why Impossible Burgers Beat Beef on Nutrition (01:39:31)
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May 26
1 hr 47 min

Cardiovascular disease is the world's leading killer, and yet the prevention conversation has become noisier and more confused than ever. In this Masterclass I bring together the evidence-first material I think is most useful for understanding cholesterol, blood pressure, and long-term heart health.
You will hear from Dr Walter Willett at Harvard, cardiology dietitian Michelle Routhenstein, and nephrologist Dr Raymond Townsend, alongside my own deep dives on plaque regression, the Portfolio Diet, and six landmark trials.
What we cover:
Legumes as the most underrated longevity food
The Portfolio Diet and a 30% LDL reduction without statins
What six trials tell us about diet, plaque progression, and regression
Dr Walter Willett on saturated fat, seed oils, and dairy
Sodium, potassium, and the DASH diet for blood pressure
Why diet, exercise, and medications work best together
The earlier you start, the more leverage you have. This Masterclass is meant to give you a clearer map of what actually works.
If this episode was useful, please consider leaving a rating or review on Apple or Spotify. It helps more than you might think.
Most Underrated Foods for Long-Term Health (00:00)
Can You Actually Reverse Artery Plaque? (03:07)
How to Lower ApoB Without Statins (07:19)
The Portfolio Diet: Cut LDL by 30% (09:11)
6 Trials That Changed Heart Disease Science (16:30)
Michelle Routhenstein: Why Doctors Skip ApoB Testing (20:07)
Best Food Swaps to Lower ApoB (27:04)
RFK Jr, Seed Oils, and the Saturated Fat Debate (35:48)
Full-Fat vs. Low-Fat Dairy and Your Heart (38:27)
Blood Pressure: Why the Sodium-Potassium Ratio Matters (43:08)
Walter Willett: The True Mediterranean Diet (45:19)
Are Seed Oils Inflammatory? The Science (50:50)
Should You Cook with Olive Oil or Not (57:44)
Full-Fat vs. Low-Fat Dairy: 2025 Research (01:03:00)
Dairy vs. Soy Milk: Health and Planet (01:09:32)
Plant Protein vs. Animal Protein: The Data (01:14:52)
Raymond Townsend: Top Levers for Lowering Blood Pressure (01:16:38)
Best Exercise Type for Blood Pressure (01:20:13)
How Sodium Raises Blood Pressure Over Time (01:24:48)
Potassium vs. Sodium: Why the Ratio Is Everything (01:30:40)
Should You Watch Salt with Normal Blood Pressure (01:43:51)
Why the DASH Diet Works as Well as a Drug (01:48:31)
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Simon Hill, MSc, BSc (Hons)
Creator of theproof.com
Host of The Proof with Simon Hill
Author of The Proof is in the Plants
Subscribe & Connect:
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Instagram: @simonhill
Twitter: @theproof
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Nourish your gut with my Plant-Based Ferments Guide and download my Two-Week Meal Plan.
May 18
1 hr 57 min

The peptide and GLP-1 conversation has reached a fever pitch. Growth-hormone-releasing peptides are being marketed as longevity tools, GLP-1s are being treated as a default rather than a last resort, and a wellness aesthetic of higher IGF-1, more muscle, and less fat is being sold as the route to a longer life. In this episode, I sit down with Dr Valter Longo, Professor of Gerontology at USC and Director of the USC Longevity Institute, to look at what the data actually says.
Valter developed the Fasting-Mimicking Diet, has led foundational work on the growth hormone, IGF-1, insulin, and TOR axis across yeast, mice, and humans, and runs non-profit longevity foundation clinics in Europe and the US. He calls himself the anti-biohacker and makes the case using the totality of evidence rather than the loudest claim.
What we cover:
The peptide boom and why every line of evidence cuts the other way
The body composition reality of GLP-1s after 3 to 4 years
The optimal IGF-1 range and how to land there with food and timing
The Fasting-Mimicking Diet across more than 47 clinical trials, including the biological-age reduction studies
The Harvard plant-versus-animal protein data, properly read
A grounded case against ketogenic patterns for longevity and what to eat instead
If this conversation lands, a quick rating or review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify makes a real difference.
To follow more of Dr Valter Longo's work, visit his website, find him on Instagram, and explore the work of the Create Cures Foundation, the Valter Longo Foundation, the Longevity Technology Institute, and the European Longevity Institute through his published research and his book The Longevity Diet.
Intro (00:00)
The Peptide Boom and What Is Actually Being Sold (00:01)
GLP-1s: 92 Per Cent Drop-Out and the Body Composition Math (00:02)
The Fasting-Mimicking Diet Reverses Western-Diet Damage (00:13)
Snell, Ames, and Laron Dwarf Mice (00:18)
The Laron Syndrome Cohort in Ecuador (00:24)
Acromegaly and the Cost of High Growth Hormone (00:28)
The Optimal IGF-1 Range: 120 to 160 ng/mL (00:50)
Plant vs Animal Protein, Properly Read (00:57)
The Anti-Keto Case from Okinawa to Loma Linda (01:08)
Stanford Crohn's, Miami UC, and Rome Kidney Disease (01:22)
Biological Age Reduction After Three FMD Cycles (01:25)
FMD Safety Across More Than a Million Users (01:31)
The Longevity Diet: Eat More, Eat Better (01:43)
This episode is brought to you by:
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Pique ships within the U.S. and to Australia, Canada, and select EU countries.
Function Health
Take charge of your health with advanced blood testing and personalised insights. Function Health offers a practical way to track key health markers such as cholesterol, blood sugar, and more. Learn more and join at functionhealth.com/simonhill for a $25 credit toward your membership. Only available to those living in the United States.
Function Health ships to 48 U.S. states, excluding Rhode Island, Hawai‘i, and Puerto Rico.
Truemed
Truemed helps qualified customers use pre-tax HSA or FSA dollars on health-related products like fitness, recovery, and sleep tools, often saving around 30% on average. Visit truemed.com/THEPROOF to see what qualifies. This is hands down the best way to make the most of your health dollars.
IM8
With 92 nutrients, including Vitamin B12, Iodine, Selenium and Vitamin D, in highly absorbable forms, IM8 Daily Essentials is the perfect all-in-one daily multi-vitamin to ensure you meet your daily micronutrient needs. IM8 is offering an exclusive 10% off your first order with a free welcome kit when you enter the promo code SIMON at checkout on im8health.com.
IM8 ships to 27 countries including the U.S., Canada, the U.K., Australia, and many regions across Europe, Asia, and South America.
WHOOP
WHOOP, the most advanced fitness and health wearable available. Your personalised fitness and health coach to recover faster, sleep better, and train smarter. Claim your first month free on join.whoop.com/simon.
WHOOP ships to 56+ international markets, including the US, Canada, most of Europe, Australia, New Zealand, UAE, Singapore, and parts of Asia.
Simon Hill, MSc, BSc (Hons)
Creator of theproof.com
Host of The Proof with Simon Hill
Author of The Proof is in the Plants
Subscribe & Connect:
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Instagram: @theproof
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May 11
1 hr 47 min
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