Pretentious white men who are very dismissive of female artists

Jaded, insular opinions and reviews. How did they choose these 2 hosts for a NYTimes podcast??

There has to be a critic less jaded and self-righteous than “I’m old enough to remember…” Jon Caramanica. Please find them and let them lead this podcast.

First time listener. Get some better experts. Google was not born in 2004

Enjoyed listening to Joshunda Sanders - so poised, articulate, intelligent & kind in her commentary. I thank the podcast for bringing her to my attention. I will be on the lookout for whatever she writes/speaks.

I’ve been a long time popcast head, own merch, go to the live shows. But my commitment to a free Palestine means divesting from all which the New York Times—which has sanctioned and furthered the deaths of now 30,000 Palestinians— produces. Sadly, until the magazine issues the apologies it musts, I can no longer be a pop cast listener. I hope others join in these small and daily acts of protest.

So many that it’s hard to listen.

Now I like him. I look forward to popcast deluxe in particular.

I love some of their takes, but I cringe every time I hear a 50 year old man use slang terms like “facts” and “tbh”

Been listening to this podcast since 2016 and can tell you right now that the majority of the one stars are all from BTS stans after an episode about Jung Kook’s solo career. LET ME BE CLEAR that Jung Kook IS my bias but I can at least handle critique and criticism of my fave without losing my mind. Anyway, there are episodes from before 2020 on BTS and K-pop as a genre that John and Joe both have glowing opinions about.

NJ prep school boys Obsessed with middle class Chicago boys larping as thugs.

The host says Justin Bieber (a white Canadian) singing in Spanish is great but a Korean singing English is “a step too far.”

Did not like their opinions about Jungkook and BTS- racist and extremely uninformed.

As an Asian American who’s been a subscriber of NYT since the 90s, I’m beyond disappointed. I’m outright disgusted by the xenophobia and hateful perspective. Everyone’s entitled to have an opinion but coming from the Times is shocking. This show has had a history of questionable perspectives, but this one is making me question my subscription. Do better, NYT

Racism thinly Vailed as critiques. Opinions shouldn’t be spoken as facts.

Thinly-veiled racism and xenophobia. Why are these bigots given such a platform?

Perplexingly bigoted opinions.

If everyone listened to Popcast then nothing bad would ever happen again

Spouting of ignorant and racist nonsense. Who hired these idiots? Really just hitting a new low. I hope they clean house and get rid of these fools.

Came to try it out. Disappointingly narrow perspective and pretty uninteresting. Listen to this if you want to hear stereotypes and limitations of people as global artists to produce things outside of the “norm.”

Never listened but I’m sure these guys are great and informed

It’s really laughable that this podcast had to bring bitter Kpop fans of YG to do a hit piece on BTS. I guess even in music, the NYT can’t find credible commentators, “journalists”, or “critics”. These people that the NYT finds to fill their company should spend more time doing their jobs and learn to research instead of posting antisemitic propaganda.

Literally at a lost, the audacity

Do better NYT, in your music research. Make sure the people you have on podcasts are actually non racist, unbiased reviewers.

Any research will tell you these people are biased and prejudiced.

Truly a terrible and uninformed podcast episode that touts racist ideas as informed commentary.

Disgusting

Proof that just because you have an opinion, doesn’t mean you need to share it

The latest podcast on kpop is super xenophobic and racist.

I don’t think this podcast is for people who actually love music. It exemplifies the tiresome white American Gen X desire to be contrarian and to not embrace what’s popular and mainstream, which is ironic for a podcast about pop music. The episode about Jung Kook of BTS’ solo album and BTS’ chart-topping English songs was racist and xenophobic, under the guise of claiming that their English-language songs are not “forward-thinking pop” or not keeping their “uniqueness as k-pop” or are “a business decision masquerading as a pop hit.” BTS and Jung Kook showed that they can top the American and global pop music charts on their own terms. Why would a pop music podcast disparage that instead of praise it? Not to mention the host mocking Coldplay and disparaging Steve Aoki? I don’t get it. If you’re not familiar with their music, I highly recommend listening to Jung Kook and BTS directly. They are in the top tier of musicians, period, as are the other members of BTS with solo projects (RM, J-Hope, Agust D/SUGA, Jin, Jimin, and V). And K-pop groups like NewJeans, Ive, TXT, Epik High, Black Pink, and Seventeen are excellent, too.

You are a joke, complete trash, racist, xenophobic. A supposed fan of K-pop that disrespects Koreans (I am Korean) and literally has no idea what you’re talking about. Your opinion does not deserve to be heard. You two are disgusting humans who need to lose your livelihood and go live in a trash can where you both belong.

How does one review an album they admitted they didn’t even listen to? Presumptuous drivel and just plain lazy. Just wow, NYT

I wish you had someone on who could intelligently comment on the historical context as to why the English language is so important to the Korean culture and thus k-pop instead of lazily revisiting old racist tropes on how foreign Asians are.

Let me save you some time, don’t bother listening to this.

Just a group of hateful people who don’t know anything about music

The most recent episode of this show was shockingly racist and xenophobic. The host invited on a white American k-pop stan, with no actual musical knowledge or expertise, to serve as a so-called “expert” on k-pop. This person is literally just a typical biased fan pretending to be some kind of journalist and she has a long history on social media of vile attacks on the K-pop artists she is NOT a fan of as well as a history of fetishizing and exoticizing Asians. The guest and host proceeded to trash a Korean artist for singing in English and accused him of losing his Korean roots, as though these two white Americans are somehow the arbiters of Korean musical or cultural authenticity. The guest also made racist comparisons between Korean and white artists, literally stating “why would I listen to a Korean sing like Justin Timberlake when I can listen to Justin Timberlake” while the host laughed. It’s horrifying that this was published under the auspices of the New York Times. You need to do a better job of vetting your guests and take down this vile racist garbage.

A completely xenophobic and racist take on Asian musicians that wish to break barriers. Hate to break it to you, but the English-language is not owned by white America (you don’t need a history book to understand that). Suggesting that Asian artists should stick to their Asian language… I pray for the minuscule ounce of intelligence that’s left in your brain.

The last podcast on Jungkook and Kpop is disrespectful, xenophobic, and completely unnecessary

Xenophobic trash.

These people wouldn’t know what K POP was if it slapped them in the face. This podcast is white people talking about something they have taken no time to understand and act like their opinions make them experts. The commentary is dripping with xenophobic phrases and acting like singing in English should only be for native English speak like W*F gross…

Rude, xenophobic, racist, and overall terrible. a waste of airwaves.

Pure ignorance and racism. Envy. Empty arguments.

Not only is the podcast uninteresting, the host and guest lean hard into othering Asian and racist tropes.

You don’t have to like an album but at least don’t lie

For someone who is a pop music critic they sure do seem to actually hate pop music

The last episode of this podcast does nothing but tear down the work and any and all Asian artists who work as a performer in the idol industry. The topic of this podcast might have been one group or one idol but to have Idolcast and the host come on and spew racist and anti-Asian vitriol ended up targeting every idol in the industry as a whole. New York Times do better. This doesn’t scream word class, high standard publication. This podcast is no better than a Fox News or a OAN or a Real America’s Voice show. Maybe those can be your new platforms!

Why are they so racist and you still publish.

This podcast offers only superficial takes of cultures they don’t understand as a guise for their racism.

Host has not done his research into the artists he's covering. Does he actually enjoy music? Every episode seems so poorly researched and quite misogynistic. If you want to hear a nearly 50 year old complain about music these days... This is the podcast for you.

Whoever invited that guest for this conversation on Jungkook’s golden album should be fired. This wasn’t a conversation about liking his album or not, it was blatantly racist and xenophobic about what kind of music Korean people are allowed to release, according to your narrative. Huge miss.