August 6, 2020
Minds blown as we time travel to a simpler moment, January 2020. In this re-release, we revisit our first episode of the year with numbers king, Remington Donovan, who dropped knowledge on the meaning of a 4 year aka 2020. We hope this journey down memory lane initiates and empowers you on in your healing and awakening through all these unforeseen pivots. #2020
July 30, 2020
In a time where it feels like connecting digitally is the only option, Elizabeth and Stephanie, call upon one of their all time favorite guests: mindfulness coach and circle facilitator, Andrea Bendawald, The Art of Circling (@andreabendewald).  Sit in for a conversation and some practical tips with regard to digitally connecting on a deeper level with our community and ultimately ourselves. + Roses and thorns comes in with a reading rec and a gaming rec for anyone looking to connect with themselves via books or trivia.   Huge thanks to this week's partners! Sakara - Ritual - Thrive Market -   Produced by Dear Media. 
July 23, 2020
Alana Greer is the co-founder of the Community Justice Project (@cjpmiami) and drops into TSR HQ to educate us on the work she does as an activist and community justice lawyer, organizing for racial justice and human rights through her innovative legal work. R+T is Elizabeth’s non-drinking drinking roundup and Steph dives deeper into re-defining her relationship to tech.   Produced by Dear Media. 
July 21, 2020
Stephanie Simbari turns the tables and interviews fellow TSR host, Elizabeth Kott, for some quar time reflections and recommendations.   Thanks to our partner for this episode - Stichfix! - for 25% off when you keep everything in your fix.     Produced by Dear Media. 
July 16, 2020
It’s a Funny Girls mini reunion as Steph’s friend + reality show co-star; comic, actress, and host: Yamaneika Saunders (@yamaneika), joins the show. Sharing updates on quar life, awakening to the wonders of a diva cup and offering a much needed education on racial injustice in America.   Love to this week’s partners: Native: code: TSR Parsley: code: RETROGRADE Miraval: code: RETROGRADE
July 9, 2020
Everyone needs a reminder about just how good people can be. On Wondery’s new series The Daily Smile, host Nikki Boyer brings you stories that will make you feel good each weekday morning. With interviews, inspiring clips, and chats with special guests and passionate friends, The Daily Smile takes you on a journey into goodness, gives you all the feels, and will leave you with a smile on your face.    
July 2, 2020
Female biohacker, femtech entrepreneur, author and veteren TSR all-star, Alisa Vitti ( @alisa.vitti / @floliving), is back once again to speak to cycle syncing in the time of Covid - when creating a new normal with our cycle as a guide is more accessible than ever. Roses = Steph + Elizabeth share meditation recs, sensitive skin product recs and EK admits to her latest youtube wormhole.
June 30, 2020
For the first time, it is a host on host interview as Elizabeth Kott Interviews fellow TSR host Stephanie Simbari.   Visit and use coupon RETROGRADE75 for half-off.   Get 25% off your first order on all Purely Elizabeth products and try out their new Chocolate Hazelnut Granola using code: RETROGRADE at checkout on   Produced by Dear Media. 
June 25, 2020
Elizabeth and Steph bring their offline convos they have about race and Black Lives Matter to the mic with the help of their dear friend + actress, Vanessa Chester (@vanessalchester), with the intention of normalizing the convo around this important topic.   Produced by Dear Media. 
June 19, 2020
Conscious career coach and friend to the show, Amina Altai is back with some much needed guidance on where to go from here when it comes to our career minds in this shifting economic landscape. Reminding us there’s so much to consider when taking new steps and offering wisdom on how to treat this time like an offering as opposed to a stress inducing burden. R+T is reflective + suggestive with what to watch and where not to scroll.    Sakara is offering our listeners 20% off their first order when they go to or enter code RETROGRADE at checkout.   Become a member today by going to and you'll get 50% off your first order with free shipping.   PARSLEY HEALTH IS OFFERING LISTENERS AN EXCLUSIVE OFFER OF $150 OFF AN ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP BY GOING TO PARSLEYHEALTH.COM AND ENTERING CODE, RETROGRADE.   Produced by Dear Media.
June 5, 2020
Steph and Elizabeth invite financial advisors, Stephanie Bucko and Cristina Livadary (@manafld), back on the show to share tools for financial empowerment during this time of much financial fear and uncertainty. Please join us at the end of the conversation for an 8 min and 46 second moment of silence. Our thanks to this week’s partners: code: retrograde     Produced by Dear Media. 
May 28, 2020
Actress, activist + founder of Bayou With Love, Nikki Reed brings her sustainable living expertise to the That’s So Retrograde universe. She inspires us with a conversation on recycling, composting, conscious fashion, the ethos behind her brand, and of course we cover her iconic movie, Thirteen. R+T comes in hot with a giveaway to a front line worker; go ahead and slide into our DMs and let us know who to thank. Thanks to today’s partner:     Produced by Dear Media. 
May 21, 2020
Comedian and former cast member of Steph’s reality show, Funny Girls, Nicole Aimee Shreiber (@nicoleaimee) pops in and gets real with Steph and Elizabeth on how she’s learned to thrive in this new reality. Spoiler alert: we’re talking rebounders, microdosing, and tools on staying present. It’s a real friendship rose for these unprecedented times.   Thanks to our partners: THRIVE MARKET TALKSPACE code: retrograde   Produced by Dear Media.
May 19, 2020
This quarantine has us trying stuff and we are pleased to present to you a healing sound bath meditation provided by TSR MVP Ambi Kavanagh. Light a candle, pop some CBD, and get cozy! For maximum enjoyment, listen with earbuds.   Thanks to Organifi for making this meditation possible. for 15% off, we love the green juice!     Produced by Dear Media. 
May 14, 2020
Licensed psychotherapist, speaker, podcaster, and author Nicole Sachs, is back on the show to dive deep on her incredible healing practice: Journal Speak. The discipline is a 20 minute emotional journaling exercise that heals chronic pain and skin issues, to name a few, and Steph and Elizabeth are honored to put the TSR stamp of approval on this incredible healing modality.    Special thanks to our advertisers: code: RETROGRADE   Produced by Dear Media. 
May 7, 2020
Steph and Elizabeth sit down with Alexis Haines, host of Recovering From Reality. Alexis gives an awesome download on lessons from her reality TV past, recovering from addiction and shares some innovative realizations from her explorations in wellness.     Thanks so much to this week’s partners: code: RETROGRADE      Produced by Dear Media. 
April 30, 2020
Lifecoach Lauren Zander is back talking relationships to self and others for this quarantine specific conversation. + Elizabeth and Steph share a quarantine routine update.   Thanks to our partners: Organifi - Quip -
April 23, 2020
Ruthie Lindsey returns to TSR to celebrate and discuss the release of her aptly timed memoir, There I Am: The Journey From Hopelessness to Healing.   Thank you to our partners: code: RETROGRADE code: Retrograde   Produced by Dear Media. 
April 20, 2020
It’s a cannabis miracle as we dive into the worlds of THC and CBD with female cannabis entrepreneur Nidhi Handa of Leune (@leunebrand). Plus, Steph and Elizabeth give their Cannabis recommendations for you to enjoy this rosiest of Holidays- check out for a comprehensive list of all the brands mentioned in this episode.   Love to our partners for this episode: code: RETROGRADE code: RETROGRADE     Produced by Dear Media. 
April 16, 2020
Steph and Elizabeth do their first official virtual interview with the queen of elevating space, Meghan Wallace James (@meghan.wallace.james). Never ever was there a more apt time to gracefully dive deep into those home projects than a mandated “stay at home” order. The ladies cover listener questions on shui in the time of quarantine and offer their personal feelings on how the process has added to their growth and helped them stay sane in this time. Love to our partners this week: code: retrograde   Produced by Dear Media. 
April 9, 2020
Alex Snodgrass (@thedefineddish), foodie and author of the NYT bestselling cookbook, The Define Dish, sits down with Steph + Elizabeth in a pre-pandemic conversation that syncs perfectly with being at home and in the kitchen. Alex breaks down the basics of Whole 30, how the guidelines of the “eating plan” helped with lessening her anxiety, and what we need in our pantry to get the creative kitchen party started. Roses and Thorns covers a slew of shelter at home tips: workout recs (@ryan.heffington), podcast recs: Take Away Only, discoveries in cooking and an elevated website rec (@elevateJane).   Cameo with us for Lunch on Me Check out Alex’s Book:   Thanks to our partners this week! - retrograde20   Produced by Dear Media. 
April 2, 2020
Astrologer, psychotherapist and writer, Debra Silverman (@debrasilverman_astrology), gets into the particulars of the current cosmic forecast as it relates to the global pandemic we are facing. On a micro level, she breaks down how we individually deal with crisis based on the elements of our astrological chart, providing actionable advice on how to self soothe, and guides us in a heartfelt meditative prayer around trusting the moment. Roses and Thorns is extended with a special guest - Elizabeth’s boyfriend, Joey Greer, graces the mic as he, Steph and Elizabeth discuss the R and T’s of relationships, non relationships and creativity inside of this unique moment in time.   Visit and use discount code Retrograde20 for 20% off!   Get the best in clean makeup at Sephora – online and in store now!   For 30% off your first month’s subscription, visit and enter retrograde30 when you subscribe!
March 26, 2020
Musing over wellness tips while under quarantine, listener questions, and quick fire q + a between the two of them, this episode emerges as a rosy rose in these thorny times.    Thank you to our partners:   Produced by Dear Media. 
March 19, 2020
Carolyn Barron, TSR’s TCM Doctor and Master herbalist, graces the mic with her poetic breakdown of the seasonal pivot into Spring, “Nature’s debutante ball”. Detailing how we can work with this change and harness its elements to elevate our existence and sync with the season.    Get TEN DOLLARS OFF RIGHT NOW at , and use promo code “RETROGRADE”!   PARSLEY HEALTH IS OFFERING MY LISTENERS AN EXCLUSIVE OFFER OF $150 OFF A YEAR-LONG MEMBERSHIP BY GOING TO PARSLEYHEALTH.COM AND ENTERING CODE, RETROGRADE.   As a listener of this podcast, you can get $100 off your first month on Talkspace. To match with your perfect therapist, go to or download the app. Make sure to use the code RETROGRADE to get $100 off your first month and show your support for the show.   Produced by Dear Media. 
March 17, 2020
You asked for it, we heard you! It’s time to sit in on an intimate conversation with Elizabeth and Steph as they take their new to Los Angeles friend, Alyssa Heimrich, on a journey through the TSR insider's guide to the city. For the full list of recommendations mentioned in this episode visit the ‘show notes’ section of    Visit and use discount code Retrograde20 for 20% off!   SHOP NEW SHAMPOOS AND CONDITIONERS FOR FINE, MEDIUM, THICK HAIR AT THEOUAI.COM AND DON’T FORGET TO USE CODE ‘​RETROGRADE​’ TO RECEIVE 3 FREE SAMPLES WITH YOUR ORDER.   Produced by Dear Media. 
March 12, 2020
Stephanie and Elizabeth’s dear friend Hale Appleman (@halebofosho) pops by TSR HQ to travel back in time with a friendship origin story, talk about his experience playing the groundbreaking role of Elliot on The Magicians and debunk an internet myth that he and Stephanie are married. Roses and thorns is keeping in theme with the ep with rosy recs on what to watch, read and listen to for March 2020.   Thanks to our partners: Clean Color at Sephora ( or In Store)   Produced by Dear Media. 
March 9, 2020
Sasha Sagan, author of TSR book club fav, For Small Creatures Such as We, unpacks her view of evidence based beliefs. Covering the scientific meaning behind death, religion, ritual and even astrology. Week in Wellness talks Oprah’s definition of wellness, and Roses and Thorns celebrates a meditating Barbie and asks Dude, Where’s My Car on behalf of Elizabeth.   Love to our partners: code: RETROGRADE      Produced by Dear Media. 
February 27, 2020
Started from reality TV and now bringing wellness to our local drugstore. This week's guest Lo Bosworth (Laguna beach and The Hills) drops into TSR HQ to discuss her brand ‘Love Wellness’, an amazing collection of clean personal care products for women.  Thanks to our partners:   Sakara: Quip: Lola: code: retrograde30     Produced by Dear Media. 
February 20, 2020
Teneshia J. Warner (@teneshiajwarner), author of The Big Stretch, joins TSR HQ for an insightful conversation on the power of having a dream and the steps it takes to make that dream a reality. Roses and Thorns: Whole 30 tips part 2, tech rehab and streaming recs (per usual).   Get Teneshia’s book:   Partners: code: RETROGRADE     Produced by Dear Media. 
February 13, 2020
Lauren Handel Zander (@laurenzander_coach) of the Handel Group (@handelgroup) brings her no-nonsense brand of life coaching expertise to the TSR table in this seasonal episode focusing on relationships;  from friendship to romance, we cover it all with the help of questions from our listeners. Roses and Thorns is a bouquet of NYC wellness discoveries: Tarot with @cardsyB, virtual reality spa with @luxuryescapism and an actual spa discovery too @abathhouse!    Love to our partners:     Produced by Dear Media.   
February 6, 2020
It’s a bouquet of roses as Elizabeth and Stephanie celebrate 5 years of That’s So Retrograde! Join them as they take a trip down memory lane featuring past episodes and behind the scenes anecdotes from the likes of: Marianne Williamson, Andy Cohen, the founders of Lord Jones, Sarah Silverman and more.   Love to our partners: Check out Root of it All in CA, CO and WA dispensaries!
January 30, 2020
Warning: The information in this episode will change your life. Back for her third episode, female biohacker, femtech entrepreneur and legendary health leader Alisa Vitti (@floliving), joins us to chat about her new book, In The Flo: Unlock Your Hormonal Advantage and Revolutionize Your Life, which details The Cycle Syncing Method, teaching us how to align with our biological rhythms to optimize not only our health, but every other aspect of our lives from career to relationships. Roses and Thorns includes a review of Goop Lab on Netflix, an update on Steph’s musical adventures, and a reminder for all you ladies to check your breasts.   Link Alisa’s book!   Love to our advertisers: code: RETRO code REAL code: retrograde30   Produced by Dear Media.
January 23, 2020
Trainer to the stars, Amy Rosoff Davis (@amyrosoffdavis), stops in to TSR HQ to chat about her approachable philosophy to movement and self care, breaks down some of her faves, and trend forecasts the fit year ahead. Roses and Thorns is rosey with Steph’s new musical endeavors and Elizabeth’s tips for Whole30, plus the tale behind EK and Steph’s crafts getting featured in the Daily Mail. Thanks to our partners for this episode: code: Retro Bombas Sakara Native Deodorant    Produced by Dear Media.
January 16, 2020
Astrologer, alchemist and fan favorite, Ambi Kavanagh joins the show to provide a celestial weather forecast for 2020. Roses and Thorns is equally astro focused featuring Ambi’s Soulstrology subscription, Debra Silverman’s Meet The Planets Video Series, and celebrating Chani Nicholas’ new book!    Special thanks to: code: REAL code: retrograde   Debra’s 3 Part Video Training:  Ambi’s Soulstrology: Chani’s Book:     Produced by Dear Media. 
January 9, 2020
Breaking down the numerology of 2020 (it’s a “four” year), with our resident numerologist, Remington Donovan (@themysticalarts). Roses and Thorns delivers the goods with Elizabeth and Steph’s top remedies  for cold and flu season including shows to binge and books to read!    Thanks to our partners: The real real: promo code REAL Sweaty betty: code RETROGRADE  Sakara:  *** edit out part of the read where i say code retrograde   Produced by Dear Media.
December 26, 2019
Reiki master, friend and upcoming author Kelsey Patel joins Elizabeth and Steph recapping the wellness trends of 2019 and offering takeaways for mindfully closing off the year and the decade.   This week’s partners: code: retrograde   Produced by Dear Media.
December 19, 2019
Matt Gottesman (@hdfmagazine), entrepreneur and host of the podcast, ‘Hustle Sold Separately’ is a powerful source of inspiration as he gets real about manifestation, dives deep into ideas around abundance and happily dismantles the idea of ‘grinding’. Roses and thorns come through with beverage discoveries, tech hacks, and Detroit recs!  Thanks to our partners:   Rothys     Produced by Dear Media.     
December 12, 2019
Dr. Judy Ho (@drjudyho), is here and bringing her expertise in this enlightening convo. As a licensed clinical and forensic neuropsychologist and regular on the popular daytime show, The Doctors, Dr. Judy shares pearls of wisdom regarding relationship to self and offers adoptable tools for reprogramming self-sabotaging behaviors. Roses and Thorns has tools too! With important recs for how to locate your lost keys (shoutout to TILE) and a hot tip on unplugging for a Getaway (@getawayhouse)!    Thanks to our partners: Daily Harvest: Gomacro: promo code: Retrograde  Root Of It All:   Produced by Dear Media.
December 5, 2019
Comic, actress and ultimate fave, Janeane Garofalo, joins Stephanie and Elizabeth for a candid convo discussing her life in comedy, the challenges with body image she has experienced within the entertainment industry and drops some never before heard intel from some of her most popular films. Roses and Thorns is all rosy with the introduction of TSR’s holiday gift guide picks paired with the announcement of a massive giveaway - check out @soretrograde’s instagram to enter #ThatsSoHoliday.   Thank you to our partners: Honey  Native code: TSR20 Quip code: retrograde    Produced by Dear Media. 
November 28, 2019
In honor of Thanksgiving, it’s a gratitude filled podcast crossover extravaganza with Jill Dunn and Carlene Higgins, the hosts of Breaking Beauty (@breakingbeautypodcast). These industry experts join TSR HQ, highlighting their beauty picks of the moment and the revolutionary shifts currently happening in the industry. Plus: Elizabeth and Stephanie breakdown their current beauty roses too.   Thanks to our partners:   Aurate - code: retrograde  Root of it all -  Happy Light - code retrograde    Produced by Dear Media. 
November 22, 2019
Christina Livadary and Stephanie Bucko are certified financial life planners bringing monetary consciousness to the forefront of our wellness routine in this important and much needed convo. Roses and Thorns comes in hot with a hair flip-  talking hair dyeing, drying and best days to get a cut according to The Farmers Almanac plus continued Shui adventures of the Marie Kondo variety. Thanks to ur partners:   Root of it all   Check out our guests at @manafld     Produced by Dear Media.
November 14, 2019
Gifted astrologer, Psychologist and Internet sensation, Debra Silverman, flies into TSR HQ to deliver the download on all things pertaining to our current astro climate. In a divinely timed 11/11 recording the cosmic gods brought her to us to go deep on this past Scorpio New Moon, this weeks Full Moon in Taurus, and the present energy of our friend, Mercury Retrograde (note: Steph is Scorpio, Elizabeth is Taurus and this show has Retrograde in the title!! wow.) It’s a special treat for all you Scorpions and Taureans and those who love them. Roses and Thorns comes in cute with movie recs and a shout out to doing the WORK, ala Handel Group and their Inner.U training. Thanks to our partners:   Ritual- Wander- Lola -   Inner.U - code: retrograde75   Produced by Dear Media. 
November 7, 2019
Renowned celebrity journalist and friend of the show, Catt Sadler, joins E+S at TSR HQ to discuss her potent ability to manifest in the realm of career, her intrigue with wellness, and her newest podcast ‘Naked with Catt Sadler’; plus Elizabeth and Steph give a Rosy recap of Steph’s 34th birthday shenanigans!    Thanks to our partners:    Quip:  Native: code TSR Honey:      Produced by Dear Media. 
October 31, 2019
Lisa Goodman, founder of GoodSkin Clinics (@goodskinclinics), a revolutionary bi-coastal cosmetic dermatology practice, sits down with EK + SS to describe her holistic approach to dermal fillers and mission to eliminate the “done” look one face at a time. Seasonally appropriate, in these final days of October as there’s nothing spookier than too much facial filler. Roses and Thorns is a rosy reading recc by Sasha Sagan followed by a TSR exclusive event invite with Feng Shui queen Meghan Wallace James. AND Happy bday to Steph!!   Thanks to our partners: Robin Hood: Daily Harvest: Daily code Retrograde  Go Macro: code Retrograde   Produced by Dear Media.
October 25, 2019
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October 24, 2019
Making his return to TSR HQ, former music exec turned meditation leader and entrepreneur, Jesse Israel (@jesseisrael)  speaks on creating and growing The Big Quiet (@thebigquiet). What began as a small group of mediators in his living room is now the country’s largest mass meditation event.  He shares his own experiences with meditation and gives insight on mindfully crafting and monetizing a business inside the consciousness space. Roses and Thorns is elevated as Ek and SS discuss their trip to Lowell Farms Cannabis Cafe, the country’s first ever cannabis restaurant!    Thanks to our partners:  Rothys: code retrograde Buffy: code retrograde Happy Light: code retrograde
October 17, 2019
Powerhouse activist, author and speaker, Marianne Williamson, is running for President of the United States. In an iconic convo that is truly one for the So Retrograde books, Marianne shares with Elizabeth and Stephanie why she’s running and what we need now as a leader for our country. Speaking on the necessity of being empowered women, voters and citizens, she educates us on our nation's history and the current political climate. Truly there’s so much to say about this special sit down and we can’t wait for you to listen.  #marianne2020.     Thanks to our partners:     Produced by Dear Media. 
October 10, 2019
Fresh off a legendary trip to NYC, Elizabeth and Steph make a rosy return to LA and head to Malibu to visit the flashiest girl from Flushing, Fran Drescher!!!  (Also now known as the new official Guru and MD to That’s So Retrograde). In this fun and informative discussion, Fran goes deep on her mission to transform American citizens into “informed wellness consumers” through her work with her organization Cancer Schmancer, talks turning her own pain into her purpose, and offers TSR listeners an invite to her  upcoming wellness summit in Los Angeles.    Thanks to our partners: Quip: Wander: Daily Harvest: promo code: retrograde  Produced by Dear Media.   
October 4, 2019
Steph and Elizabeth cozy up in a NYC studio for an inspired conversation with accomplished comic, writer, radio personality, and founder of Abortion AF, Lizz Winstead (@lizzwinstead). Lizz educates on the real red tape around accessibility to abortion and womens healthcare and lays down the framework for what we can do to help. Roses and Thorns is more like a giant shiny apple as the girls wax grateful on all things NYC. Special shout out to Gotham Podcast Studio, Sirius XM, and Caroline’s on Broadway for making all our interview dreams come true.  Thank you to our partners:    Buffy Comforters  code: retrograde Aurate  code: retrograde  Native Deodorant code: tsr
September 26, 2019
TSR takes NYC and sit down with celebrated speaker and coach Gabrielle Bernstein to go deep on her new book Super Attractor. A self proclaimed “shame shifter”, Gabby vulnerably opens up about her experience with postpartum depression and the importance of calling in “special agents” for healing. Roses and thorns is a celebration of the Big Apple, the excellence of the Unplug mediation app AND we are doing a major giveaway in the form of a logo design with our friends at Dreamer Marketing House.   Rothys code retrograde code: retrograde   Happy Light code: code retrograde   Produced by Dear Media.
September 19, 2019
Spirit Guide to the show Mikey Domitrovich (@ediblespirit) is back at TSR HQ for an exciting conversation on the changing of the seasonal guards known as the Fall Equinox. Then, in proper back to school fashion Mikey gives us a lesson on ’The Claires’, giving us a how to on identifying Clairvoyance, Clairsentience, Claircognizance and Claireaudience. And finally, IT'S A READ as Steph and Elizabeth get their auras read on air as Mikey demonstrates his latest mystical endeavor, AURAPICS. Also covered in this ep: The movie Hustlers and how it relates to the Ekam World Peace Festival, live readings of Real Housewives of NY and Marianne Williamson presidential bid.     Brought to you by: Work in Progress with Sophia Bush on iTunes     Check out the Ekam World Peace festival:
September 12, 2019
By listener request it's a solo episode with TSR’s hosts (@elizabethkott + @ssimbari), answering audience questions, while highlighting some current roses and a few thorns. Multiple issues are covered in this intimate convo, including: wellness fails, TMJ remedies, vision board party tips, spiritual burnout, igniting self confidence, clairvoyant training, overcoming dating hang-ups,  BH90210, clean beauty recs (Odacite and Olaplex), and recycling thorns. If you have a question for TSR that you would like covered on a future episode, email   Thanks to our partners: code: retrograde40
September 5, 2019
A prolific wellness discovery in the TSR Universe has been made in the form of physiotherapist, Cliff Matsuno. A healer in every sense of the word, he sits down with Steph and Elizabeth, sharing his naturalist POV (where science meets humanism), and discusses his findings on how minimizing stress and maximizing awareness aids in overall health and wellbeing. Roses and Thorns is on theme with a hot list of some of E and S's favorite healers that they are currently working with on the regular.   Thank you to our partners: code: retrograde code: TSR   Produced by Dear Media. 
August 29, 2019
COMMUNION by Joy’s, Joy Smith (@communionbyjoy), sits down with Stephanie and Elizabeth to talk about the creativity, intentionality and spirituality she infuses into her much celebrated fine jewelry creations. In her own words, the line is "sacred art worn by the modern mystic and warrior".  Roses and thorns is joyful in its own right with Elizabeth tapping into her newly found love for animals and Steph has some rosy recs for adorning your ears with a different kind of pleasure, podcasts and morning shows.    Thank you to this week’s partners: code: retrograde code: retrograde code: retrograde
August 22, 2019
Celebrity trainer, LEK Fit founder, and TSR personal fave, Lauren Kleban (@LEKfit), joins the show to discuss the creation and steady growth of her massively popular dance inspired fitness method. She expands on the benefits of bouncing on a rebounder, the democratization of fitness through online streaming, and the ups and downs of growing a brand from an idea that began in her garage, into a thriving business. Roses and Thorns is a rosey bouquet of Stephanie’s fave cannabis products and Elizabeth’s current skin roses.      Thanks to this week’s sponsors: code: TSR
August 16, 2019
It’s Shui Day part III as we revisit the practice of Feng Shui, with our resident consultant, Meghan Wallace James (@megan.wallace.james). Using sourced listener questions we go deep on shared space, Bagua specifics, desk shui, color shui and creating space that leads to thriving optimally on the daily. Roses and Thorns is Elizabeth and Steph’s shui confessions and bed shui developments with some garage conundrums and bedroom wins in the form of Etsy finds (@softframe), comforter recs (@Buffy) and a forward thinking organic sheet subscription discovery (@coyuchi).   This episode is brought to you by code TSR   Produced by Dear Media.
August 8, 2019
It's a rosy bouquet of listener generated questions answered by the show’s hosts, Elizabeth & Stephanie; offering their take on pursuing new careers, Nutritional Muscle Testing and CBD. Then, comedian and friend, Ian Edwards joins the show for an editorial highlight of his new and innovative comedy special, Bill Burr Presents IanTalk: Ideas Not Worth Spreading. Episode brought to you by:    Native promo code: TSR   Wander Beauty   Daily Harvest promo code: retrograde    Produced by Dear Media. 
August 1, 2019
We’ve got Claire Byrne, aka The Heartbreak Coach dropping by TSR HQ to answer listener questions re: all things heartbreak: friendship, dating, relationship, post - relationship, it's all here in this candid and wise conversation. Roses and thorns in a full on rose bouquet as Elizabeth and Steph recap their magical visit to Arizona.   Thanks to our partners: Rothys: code: retrograde Cured Nutrition: Sweaty Betty: sweaty code: retrograde   Produced by Dear Media. 
July 25, 2019
Erica Chidi Cohen, co-founder + CEO of Los Angeles women's health education center LOOM, and author of the book Nurture;  returns to the show to answer listener-generated questions from periods to pregnancy and everything in between. Roses and Thorns come through with a new meditation suggestion from Steph and we've got an 'Ask Falcon' regarding making new friends in the digital age.    Thanks to our partners:    Sweat Betty: code: RETROGRADE Cured Nutrition: code: TSR Rothy's: code: Retrograde    Produced by Dear Media. 
July 18, 2019
Informed queen, Sophia Bush, is back for her third visit to TSR HQ. She brings along her post-birthday wisdom, an open heart and chats about being the co-founder of Detroit Blows, in this fun friendship- focused catch-up. Roses and Thorns explores the mindful world of rented clothing and Zac Efron. Q: is he for rent? Let us know.   Follow us @soretrograde  Visit and use promo code 'retrograde' for 3 cups free in your first box! Take 10% off your first three months of Ritual Vitamins at ! Produced by Dear Media.  
July 12, 2019
Licensed Psychotherapist and gifted healer, Rachel Cole, LCSW, SEP - beams into the TSR HQ and educates on the benefits of two therapies we don’t know much about. What is Mercier Massage and why do we need it? Somatic healing? We wanna know more! Shaking and crying and grounding with joy as we learn strengthen our relationship to self through the mind body connection -  as Rachel puts it: "“What we are working on is building your capacity to be with life, both the pleasant and the unpleasant” and we are here for it. Roses and thorns are tech cleanse updates, Hint: Elizabeth is off Instagram and onto Marianne Williamson think pieces. Namastayin' on our phones, y/n?   Thanks to our partners: Wander beauty for 20% Off Birchbox - $5 off your order Lola 40% off subscription code: retrograde40   p.s July 25 - TSR Live! in Phoenix AZ :
July 4, 2019
Cosmic mama Ambi Kavanagh, is back to download us all with what to expect when we’re expecting major planetary shifts. She gives insight on how to manage, what to look out for and how to deal - in this cosmically focused episode. Plus! Lots of rosey reccs from some fave former guests: Ambi’s new Soulstolgy Membership Website, No Crumbs Left has a cookbook, Dr. Deepika Chopra’s Optimism Deck and Kelsey Patel’s new podcast! P.S don’t forget to come see SS + EK in Phoenix on July 25!
June 29, 2019
Coach, author and master seer, Lauren Zander of the Handel Group, is back at the So Retrograde HQ speaking on her concept of manifucking vs. manifesting and getting super real with Steph + Elizabeth about where they need to human better. It gets a little emotional, but hey... we’re learning, with homework and all! Things get rosy later in the show with a fun announcement: Steph + Elizabeth are hitting the road! Get tickets now for their live show on 7/25 in Phoenix, AZ.
June 20, 2019
It’s once again time for some podcast crossover magic with the hilarious beaut Jackie Johnson of Natch Beaut! She shares her master list of natural beauty recommendations for the summer months and the girls chime in with some fun discoveries of their own.
June 13, 2019
LA dining institution, Craig’s, is a go-to spot for Steph and Elizabeth - making it a treat to have Craig Susser, head of the restaurant on the show. He pulls back the curtain on his impressive run in the industry, talking smart tactics and an enlightened approach to getting into the plant forward menu game. All in celebration of the launch of his vegan frozen dessert line, Craig’s Vegan. Also discussed: LA Pride wrap up, a NYT opp ed and Roses and Thorns reclaims its place at the end of the show.
June 6, 2019
Veteran comic, friend to the show and long time political commentator, Ben Gleib, is back on TSR to talk politics. This time, he is discussing the call in his heart to no longer just speak about the political landscape but to change it, by running for President in 2020. Later, Steph and Elizabeth put on their democratic hats and shout out some new wellness discoveries currently on their radar. Gabby Bernstein : It Gets Better Pride Party LA:
May 30, 2019
Steph and Elizabeth continue to go deep and personal on the topic of dating and relationships with guest, Nikki Novo (@nikkinovo), an intuitive dating coach, author of The Final Swipe and extremely talented medium. Nikki drops into the TSR Universe and speaks about connecting with self, calling upon our guides and refining our intuition when it comes to the mindful world of dating and romantic partnership. Also, if you have ever wondered what a spirit guide may look like - we have some intel for you.
May 23, 2019
Human Design Guide and Leadership Coach, Erin Claire Jones, drops into the TSR Universe to go deeper on the main types of Human Design, explaining how we can apply this wisdom to our lives and maximize our workplace potential. Also, TSR bffs, Chelsea Foster  (@chelseannat) and Emily Althaus (@emliyalthaus) join the fun for a post 200th episode party wrap up and some roses and thorns. To look up your Human Design, head over to:
May 16, 2019
In celebration of the 200th episode, icon and radio host, John Arthur Hill (, visits the studio and turns the tables on TSR’s beloved hosts, going deep (and shallow) with Elizabeth and Stephanie on the origin story of their friendship, the podcast and some key moments and lessons gleaned from the past 4.5 years of doing the show. Special guests include - comedian Amy Phillips and famed Roses and Thorns appropriator, Andy Cohen.
May 9, 2019
Are you open to a conversation about sex and intimacy? Then this is the episode for you. Steph and Elizabeth welcome Jared Michael Weiss to the TSR Universe to discuss his town hall, Touchpoint, a forum that fosters a safe place for conversations around love and sex. JMW shares the tools he has learned from hosting these conversations and how to dialogue about what is traditionally considered taboo. Also in this ep: Met Gala moments, Elizabeth meets The Countess and Steph gives us a match making update.
May 2, 2019
If being a plant based influencer is a thing, the founders of Sakara Life certainly have the market cornered. Elizabeth and Stephanie welcome the bad ass bootstrapping duo that is Whitney Tingle and Danielle DuBois back to TSR HQ some 3+ years after their first sit down. The ladies open up about their new cookbook "Eat Clean, Play Dirty” and give us a window into their current focus is in the world of health and nutrition.  Listen to our first episode with Whitney and Danielle!
April 25, 2019
When Whitney Port sits down in the TSR HQ you know two things will be discussed: her experience with reality TV (pretty sure we have some exclusives here) and of course, "wellness”; she discusses about how grief forced her to focus on self care. Whitney remains candid, chatting motherhood, her experience with mean moms and as an LA native, she offers up some fun recommendations (p.s TSR LA guide coming soon). AND don’t forget a rosy recap in celebration Elizabeth’s birthday weekend.
April 18, 2019
In celebration of our favorite green holiday we open a discussion on the evolving and vast cannabis landscape by turning to’s founders, Anna Duckworth and Kate Miller. These ladies inform TSR about the complex plant in all her glory, answer our burning CBD queries, and join us in de-stigmatizing cannabis usage.  Use code RETROGRADE for 15% off at
April 11, 2019
Science meets magic as Dr. Deepika Chopra, Optimism Doctor and visual imagery expert, talks about the science behind manifestation. Offering some practices and tools prescribed to her patients that help shift limiting beliefs and put us into alignment with our truest desires. aka: how to call it in sis...scientifically speaking. Follow our guest: @drdeepikachopra Thanks to our partners: code: retrograde
April 4, 2019
Erica Cerulo and Claire Mazur (founders of Of A Kind, hosts of A few Things Podcast and authors of new book, Work Wife), sit down with Stephanie and Elizabeth to discuss what it takes to start and run a business with your best friend. These two pairings go deep on their interpersonal relationships and how they are reflected in their day to day business success.
March 28, 2019
Lymphatic Drainage is at the top of TSR's list when it comes to buzzy wellness practices and sitting down to educate beyond the trend is Certified Lymphedema Therapist, Lisa Gainsley, expertly answering all of the Ladies' lymph related queries (If you've got lymph questions of your own follow Lisa, @thelymphaticmessage). And later, Elizabeth and Steph dive into another Rosy round listener questions (If you have questions for us to be featured on the show - DM us @soretrograde).
March 21, 2019
Erin Foster (writer, actress, and a fun follow on Instagram) hits guru status at the TSR HQ as she shares some life lessons and doles out some mindful advice in the realms of dating, mental health, fertility and career. Later it's a rosy first week of Spring with another installment of 'Lady Baby Takes Trader Joe’s' and an Ask Falcon pertaining to moving to Los Angeles in your 30s.
March 14, 2019
Michael Domitrovich aka @EdibleSpirit, the Snatch Daddy of TSR, returns to the Mothership to spill the cosmic tea on Mercury Retrograde, Pisces Season, the upcoming Spring Equinox and puts on his impressive channeling hat doing psychic readings for our call in listeners! Thanks to our sponsors: Green Chef: Rothy’s: Lola: code: retrograde40
March 7, 2019
Amina Altai, conscious business advisor, illuminates the episode with some practical insight on aligning mind, body and business while harnessing our inner (boy) boss. Continuing to serialize their present personal experiences, Steph updates us on her quest to consciously couple, while Elizabeth shares how she consciously uncoupled from the apartment where TSR was conceived. Thrive Market: Calm App: Shoedazzle:
February 28, 2019
Devon Cajuste, former NFL tight end and current energy healer joins the show to discuss his connections to the football field and the universal energy field. He shares with us how he communes with spirit and offers up some solid crystal recommendations. Okay fine we’ll take him under our tiny wings, since you begged us to! Things get rosey as Elizabeth looks forward to a new chapter and Steph is deep in to the chapters of the greatest dating book of all time as she learns what it’s like to date in the 90’s.   Thanks to our sponsors:   Third Love   Daily Harvest code: retrograde   Quip
February 21, 2019
Author Ruby Warington leads this weeks episode with a curious mind around alcohol consumption. As founder of celebrated astrological portal, The Numinous, and author of Material Girl, Mystical World, her latest book, Sober Curious unpacks our societal and personal behaviors around drinking and how it aligns (or doesn’t ) with one’s spiritual quest. Elizabeth and Steph answer listener questions and give some fun announcements too.
February 14, 2019
'Girls Gotta Eat' Hosts, Ashley and Rayna stop by TSR HQ for this sexy yet distinctly non-Valentine’s Day centric episode. The ladies chat dating escapades in the modern era and try to glean some lessons along the way. Elizabeth and Steph re-live some tales of their own and in the most mensch-y of moments, Elizabeth’s parents drop by with some rosey advice.   Thanks to our partners:   Rothys: Calm: Wander Beauty:
February 7, 2019
Nicole Sachs (psychotherapist, author, and founder of, joins Elizabeth and Stephanie for their 4th year birthday show, to discuss the power of the mind body connection as a pathway to healing. Updates: Elizabeth is out of her house and Steph tries to get a boyfriend. A birthday celebration indeed!   Thrive market- code: retrograde Third love-  
January 31, 2019
Dave Asprey joins the show to bless the TSR Universe with some bio hacking knowledge on brain optimization. Nicotine, Nootropics and butter coffee, oh my! Later, get rosy with some lady baby tips on food findings, TMJ relief and oral hygiene, lol we said oral.   Check out our amazing sponsors! code: retrograde for three cups free!  
January 24, 2019
Going deep on two categories of main importance in the That's So Retrograde Universe -Skin and Astrology - Stephanie and Elizabeth sit down with Heyday co-founder Michael Pollak and Astrologer extraordinaire, Ambi Kavanaugh, for this illuminating show recorded live at Heyday Skincare in Los Angeles   Special thanks to our partners:   Thrive Market -  Ritual Vitamins  Calm App CALM.COM/RETROGRADE   The first 100 listeners of the podcast can book a 50 Minute facial for themselves and a friend to go together for the price of one using code RETROGRADE (locations in NYC and LA)
January 17, 2019
In celebration of her new book, Do What Feels Good, entrepreneur, Influencer (and new TSR  BFF), Hannah Bronfman, stops by the TSR HQ.  The result is an episode full of inspirational insight and takeaway tips covering skin care, nutrition, exercise and beyond, all honoring the importance of the concept: do what feels good for YOU. Speaking of you…also discussed in this ep: Netflix shows, water picks and listener feedback.    This episode is brought to you by:    Wander Beauty   Quip
January 10, 2019
It's the first show of 2019 as Steph and Elizabeth welcome back mystical artist and numerologist, Remington Donovan, to enlighten us all on the numerological blessings of this new year and its number 3! Time to boss up baby because this years’ energy supports you stepping up to the plate after all the hard work you put in last year. The show wraps with some rosey discoveries and new years intentions- kicking this year off to an exciting and mindful start. Aho!   This episode is brought to you by:   Thrive market - Rothys - code: retrograde   Lola - code: retrograde40
December 27, 2018
Beloved Roastmaster General and friend to the show, Jeff Ross, sits down with Steph and Elizabeth to look back on the the top wellness trends of 2018. It’s rosy and roasty as they reflect on the lessons of the past year and bid adieu to 2018 with gratitude and glee.   Special thanks to our partners for this episode:   Living Proof : code: retrograde Thrive Market:
December 20, 2018
It's a TSR All-Star Holiday Party as Steph and Elizabeth are joined by their friends and guides: Astrologer, Ambi Kavanaugh and Reiki Master, Kelsey Patel. Together they celebrate the end of this expansive and challenging year and muse on tools to manage stress during the holidays. It's a true bash with astro downloads that help bring mindful closure to 2018, and be sure to pull over because we have an EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) series to shift your vibe as we de stress our way into the holidays.     Thanks to our partners:   Zola:   Fabletics:   Chosen Foods: code: Retrograde   Please help us inbox supporting Lunch On Me:
December 13, 2018
Artist and creator of The Wild Unknown, Kim Krans, drops into the studio for a mindful chat on awakening the artist within. As big fans of both her Tarot deck and Animal Spirit deck, Steph & Elizabeth are excited to discover Kim’s newest magical offering, The Wild Unknown Journal; an interactive book encouraging each of us to tap into our labyrinth of creativity. Color us into it! Later, it’s what you’ve all been waiting for: Elizabeth and Stephanie’s So Retrograde Approved Holiday Gift Guide - a rosy bouquet of suggestions for your 2018 gift giving/receiving needs.  Thanks to this week’s partners:   Thrive Market    Rothys - code: retrograde    Living Proof - code: retrograde    Please join us in supporting Lunch On Me, providing meals and healing programs to those exoerienceing homelessness in Los Angeles:
December 6, 2018
Spirit guide to the show, Dr. Deganit Nuur, visits the TSR Universe, illuminating her unique approach of blending acupuncture with clairvoyant readings and provides practical suggestions for surviving the holidays - with tips on fine tuning in our intuition, manifestation tools and self care routines. Honoring the theme of self care guidance, Stephanie and Elizabeth share their top self care selects of the moment. In this week's Roses and Thorns, the ladies shed light on a Secret HQ success story and top it all off with some current TV and reading recs, because... wellness.     Donate to Lunch On Me:     Thank you to this week’s partners:   Shoedazzle   Quip:   Chosen Foods:   Fabletics:
November 29, 2018
Join Elizabeth and Steph as they travel back in time to their 11/11 New York Comedy Festival show, live at Union Hall in Brooklyn. Expect revelations, meditations and a whole lot of laughter as they collectively channel their inner Oprahs and turn the tables to interview one another. Later, Dr. Daganit Nuur joins the stage to lead the crowd in a visualization exercise to illuminate the manifestation properties of 11/11. Meditation in a bar? Check! #soretrograde This Episode is brought to you by: Chosen Foods: code: RETROGRADE Rothys: code: retrograde Talkspace: code: retrograde Thanks to the following bag for making our audience giftbag come to life: Kopari: code: RETROGRADE15 for 15% off Four Sigmatic code: TSR HeyDay: use code ElizabethxHeyDay $10 off your first facial   Please join us in supporting Lunch On Me this holiday season:
November 21, 2018
In celebration of Thanksgiving week, Stephanie and Elizabeth sit down with activist, artist and ‘Lunch On Me’ founder, LaRayia Gaston. In this heart-expanding conversation, LaRayia illuminates and inspires discussing her mission to end homelessness one meal at a time.   In honor of giving Tuesday - That’s So Retrograde will be joining Lunch On Me's Crowdrise campaign to build a center in Los Angeles, launching November 26th, join our team!    Donate link: (launching November 26)   Thanks to this week’s partners:   Thrive Market   Fabletics   Lola code: retrograde40
November 15, 2018
Foodie, mystic cook, renowned Whole30/Gluten Free food blogger and Elizabeth’s favorite Internet celebrity, Teri Turner, of 'No Crumbs Left', sits down with TSR for a Thanksgiving-centric convo. The gals discuss coming into your calling later in life, listening to the universe, social media hacks, and of course some culinary insight for the upcoming holiday! Later, it's a Rosy recap of Stephanie and Elizabeth’s recent jaunt to New York (shout out to the New York Comedy Festival)!! Please see links below for where to donate to the LA Fire Department and families in need.       This episode was brought to you by:   Rothys Shoes: code: RETROGRADE   Quip:   Chosen Foods: code: RETROGRADE   *Follow us on instagram: for more promos from brands mentioned in this episode.   Please Donate to help those affected by the CA fires:   LA Fire Department Foundation     United Way of Greater Los Angeles:     Ventura County Community Foundation:     Humane Society of Ventura County  
November 8, 2018
Post election vibes surely call for an Astro forecast! Thus, the ladies welcome back Ambi Kavanaugh, of Alchemy with Ambi, to shine light on the current cosmic climate. Then, it’s a floral crystal grid of roses as Elizabeth and Stephanie recap their eventful week: Steph’s birthday celebrations, some lady baby nights on the town, eye updates and podcast recommendations for your listening pleasure. PLUS, Steph and Elizabeth are headed back to New York this week for two exciting events, see below for the where’s the the when’s! New York appearances: Live Show: 11/11: 5 pm @ Union Hall, 702 Union St, Brooklyn, NY 11215 Meet up: 11/12: 5 pm @ Airs Champagne Parlor, 127 Macdougal Street, Greenwhich Village, NY 10012 This Episode was brought to you by: Fabletics: Thrive market: Shoedazzle:
November 1, 2018
First things first, let’s encourage our democracy to be ‘happy not perfect’ by getting out to VOTE Tuesday, November 6!! Secondly, beam of light, Poppy Jamie enters the TSR Universe this week to discuss and celebrate her mental health initiative, Happy Not Perfect. Later, Roses and Thorns pays tribute to the magic of the Wellspring Festival in Palm Springs.     TSR in NYC:   This episode is brought to you by: code: RETROGRADE code: Retrograde
October 25, 2018
It’s Halloween time and Mya Spalter, author of ‘Enchantments: A Modern Witch’s Guide to Self-Possession’, is in the studio to provide some wise, witchy and welcoming insight on living a magical existence. Plus! A rosy listener Q + A, Halloween costume tips from your favorite Lady Babies and general tricks and treats - giving everyone a little somethin somethin to put on their alter this pumpkin-centric season. Namaste Enchanted!   Get Mya’s Book:   Love to this week’s sponsors:   Living Proof: code: RETROGRADE   Wander Beauty:   Chosen Foods: code: TSR
October 23, 2018
In honor of Venus in Retrograde, TSR’s Beauty Week is in full swing with episode 2 of 2. Stephanie and Elizabeth are joined by Tiila Abbitt, former head of R+D for sustainable materials at Sephora and current founder of Aether Beauty, for a conversation on sustainability within the beauty space. Aether’s first product, an eyeshadow palette, is one of the most forward thinking new beauty discoveries within the TSR universe. In celebration of this creation, the women have a thought provoking and illuminating conversation regarding packaging, waste, composition and ideologies within the makeup industry and consumer behavior as a whole.  promo code: #RETROGRADELOVE   This Episode is brought to you by our friends at Thrive Market!  (check out their beauty tab!)
October 18, 2018
It's beauty week! The “shock jock of beauty” herself, Jackie Johnson, of the Natch Beaut Podcast, joins the TSR universe, giving a breakdown of all her product obsessions of the moment from the fanciest of face oils to humidifiers. Steph and Elizabeth jump in for a rose filled bouquet of reccs offering up their personal beauty related favorites of the season. Reminder: TSR will be back in NYC on 11/11 at Union Hall, get your tickets while you still can!   This episode is brought to you by:   Thrive Market: Carbon 38 code: Retrograde Quip    TSR in NYC:
October 11, 2018
It's physical fitness day at The So Retrograde HQ! Steph and Elizabeth sit down with personal trainer and P. Volve founder, Stephen Pasterino, to talk about the workout he specifically created to optimize the muscle response of the female body. Coupled with this convo are some rosy workout recs for the LA homie and everyone call in sick because seeing A Star Is Born and crying to the soundtrack is the unanimous rose of the moment.   This episode is brought to you by:   OMAX - Phlur - code: retrograde Rothy’s - code: RETROGRADE   More things in this episode:   P. Volve: Code: Retrograde   Bellicon:   11/11 TSR in NYC:   TSR on Cameo:
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