Part 3 of the non-live broadcast from the Nogi Jiu-Jitsu World Championships. Old school MMA legend Gesias “JZ” Cavalcante joined us and talked about his first day of MMA, his experience in lute livre and vale tudo fighting. We also touched on the topic of no contest fights, poking eyes, and crushing testicles. Next up we had Cannon-Arms Tom DeBlass, who shared some thoughts on feeling old and beat up, the training grind, and his transition from being an active competitor to focusing 100% of his energy on coaching and mentoring his students. Lastly, senior IBJJF referee Rico Bastos sat down for a very interesting chat about life as a full time jiu-jitsu competition referee.