Great pod!! Feel sorry for Jane, but she was just a child. For the life of me I can’t figure out why these people fell for this! Call it a good dose of US midwestern skepticism, but I was taught the if it seems too good to be true it probably is.
It is absolutely insane that this was able to occur for such a long time. I have an unbelievable amount of compassion for the people's lives that hamish all but destroyed. I was so happy to hear even the small portion of the judge's verdict. Also, June. Listening to this bright, young, enlightened woman speak was heartbreaking but also such a pleasure. June, you are a bright light with an amazing future ahead of you.
What a sociopath!
Great storytelling about the abuses & manipulations of a cunning sociopath. People need to be wary of these people. They’re out there & they look just like us.
An excellent podcast. Focused, well edited, and evenly paced. An engaging and interesting story. I highly recommend it.
Worried about Jane
I am enjoying this podcast and only have one episode to go.
However, I am very concerned about the portrayal of “Jane.” I am very concerned for Jane’s view of what she “did.”
Jane is 100% a victim of Hamish, if not a victim of the worst kind. She was an underaged “child” who was sexually, emotionally, and financially taken advantage of by a much older adult man.
Jane was literally sex-trafficked.
Jane did not have the capacity to make true “conscious” choices, as she says, in the circumstances she was in.
I’m not sure what Australian law is, or what the age of “consent” is, but Hamish should be charged of this crime he committed against this girl.
I’m disappointed that your show didn’t raise more flags and more disgust over this relationship.
I hope and pray that Jane gets the deep therapy she needs.
Five star content, one star editing
This podcast was riveting. Fascinating subject, excellent interviews, sooooo compelling. What was difficult was the wet mouth noises/drinking/swallowing sounds REPEATEDLY, especially on the bonus episode. 🤢😬🤢😬🤢
Those sounds have no business being so LOUD and in my ears. Were I sitting next to the person, I would not hear them with such crystal clarity. Please editors, take heed.
Well done and such insight into people - sociopath and otherwise.
Well put together and well narrated
I'd have gotten some friends together and gotten my money....and he'd not be well afterward
Good job to the Australian!
Great podcast! All of the podcast I have listened to from the Australian have been excellent. This one was no different. I enjoyed all of the episodes. I definitely recommend this podcast!
A sad story well told.
Do your homework on the people you meet and do business with, and listen to your instincts.
Revictimizing the victim
The “bonus” interview of Jane is repulsive. The interviewer is just as much of a creep as Hamish. Completely infects every previous episode. “Hey, can you describe in excruciating detail every aspect of your abuse at the hands of this man? Oh, you’re reluctant to? I’m going to press harder!” Unethical. And just plain disgusting.
Overall, great podcast. However, the audio quality on the interview in episode 10 is unlistenable. Podcast would be better without it.
New York - The age of consent is 17. It is illegal for anyone to have sex with someone under the age of 17.
Hamish should be guilty of Statutory Rape during the Princeton/NY trip with the minor he was grooming.
Having experienced something similar (to a much smaller degree) I just want to say how impressed I was with Jane’s honestly and maturity at only 23 years old. Jane if you are reading this- you seem like an incredible person who deserves happiness and peace. This is only a short chapter of your life. I’m rooting for you!
Jane is a victim.
Who the hell approved the Jane interview? Greg, your heavy breathing only made the whole debacle of an interview with Jane more creepy. It also felt strange and voyeuristic when Greg started asking Jane (so poised and mature by comparison) about the sexual abuse she suffered. And yes, Greg, it was abuse! Jane is a victim. She was groomed and then psychologically, emotionally, and sexually abused by the literal psycho you’ve been profiling in your podcast.
Before the Jane interview, I was really intrigued by this story. That’s the only reason you’re getting 2 stars.
Excellent reporting on this terrible person. I really appreciate the respect that the narrator gave to the people he talked to and about.
NONE of this was Jane’s fault
Had to stop listening when Greg Bearup totally botched and mishandled the interview with Jane. Hammish was a MASTER manipulator and willing to engage in statutory rape and pedophila to defraud people, yet Greg says to Jane “ya know we all make mistakes when we are 17, it’s just that your mistakes were amplified by this guy.” No, Jane is not to blame here. But Greg did a great job retraumatizing and victim-blaming her. Almost as wonderful of a job as the United States Senate Judiciary Committee did with Dr. Ford and Brett Kavanaugh. What a disappointment!
Go watch Abducted in Plain Sight, or read about how Robert Berchtold kidnapped his 12-year-old neighbor, Jan Broberg, *twice* and had sexual relations with her until she was 16 because they had to “stick to the story,” and then tell me that Jane is to blame for Hammish Watson’s treachery, duplicity, callousness, and psychopathy.
[[TO JANE! This is not your fault! You were psychologically abused and manipulated by a psychopath before you’re prefrontal cortex had even fully developed. (It’s fully developed around 25.) Sending you all the love and good vibes, if you read this Jane!!]]
Good yarn about an overlooked and underreported destructive crime. There are thousands of Hamish’s out there. Would like more detail about how Hamish groomed his victims with definitions of gas lighting, etc from the psych. Thought it was great that the interviewer let the victims tell the story. Disagree with other reviewers that “Jane” was victimized by interviewer. It’s obvious to me that she requested the interview and it’s a part of the healing process to be a part of this. Jane-you made no choice. You were not complicit. Hamish is a psychopath that enjoyed the game of sleeping with you in front of his wife. It was his way of gaslighting her and making her think she was crazy. Psychopaths enjoy the manipulation-stealing whatever people hold dear and ruining them. Money, self worth, dreams. Shame on the police and shame on Hamish’s family for not talking about him and giving the victims any insight into this psychopath!
5 stars for Jane, 1 for interviewer
I was disturbed listening to the interview with Jane with how callous the interviewer was. You may have been interviewing a very young “adult,” she was telling a story of a child who was perpetrated on by an adult and you blamed her and highlighted her pain. Most adults with decades of experience fell prey to this man and this was a 16/17 year old being placed in impossible double binds. While I understand her feelings of responsibility to her family, it is painful thinking there wasn’t someone there to protect her when she needed it most. I hope she is finding her path and self worth. This interview allowed her to tell her story, but you, the interviewer, rubbed in her pain. That was cruel and for what....
Good with a caveat
A good podcast telling an interesting story, but the host’s interview with Jane felt exploitative and icky.
Not impressed with the last “bonus” episode and the interview with Jane. Jane was a child who was groomed & I feel the host failed to fully grasp that. Hamish is fully to blame for the situation with Jane and any other explanation or perspective is misguided.
Very interesting podcast, but I expected more episodes.
Remarkable young woman
Those who are crying foul over this series are not paying attention. He does not call it a “relationship” until Jane first calls it a “relationship.” He does not call it an “affair” until Jane first calls it an “affair.” It is Jane, not the journalist, who conceded that she knowingly and conscientiously entered into an activity that she knew was wrong, and that she was complicit in the subsequent duplicity (her words, not his). Those who would shelter Jane under a “victim” status deny her own freedom to tell her own story, and completely devalue her expressions of regret and sorrow. Her story is touching and heartfelt and sincere, compelling because she is so sorry for what she did. The magnitude of Jack’s and Beck’s forgiveness—and the depth of her sorrow— is lost when Jane is denied the dignity of expressing her own regret. Her present healing is not found in her ability to extract herself from the wrongdoing, but in acknowledging her small part in it. She is a remarkable young woman and should be treated accordingly. Those who would shift all blame from her, unwittingly suggest that there is nothing she could have done differently to avoid the outcome. In other words, they force her into the role of a powerless victim, the very thing they think they are protecting her from. This series is just outstanding journalism.
Irresponsible and infuriating
The host’s treatment of the discussion of Jane’s experience with Hammish with Beck, Jack, and her grandparents was irresponsible, but his interview with her was absolutely infuriating. To allow these people to discuss their point of view without giving the audience the proper context of understanding it was abuse, not an affair, is bad journalism and a dangerous way to frame the manipulation of a teenage girl. His interview with Jane herself took it to the point of complete lack of journalistic integrity, basic decency, or a fundamental understanding of abuse and victimization. “We all make mistakes at 17” does not describe her experience of being groomed and violated by a man 30 years her senior. This host has no idea what he is doing and should never be allowed to handle a story of such sensitive nature again.
The Bernie Madoff of Australia
The story as told by the victims.
Jane is a victim in every sense of the word - and instead is treated as an adult who made a bad decision. This kind of portrayal of child sexual abuse is not only inaccurate but dangerous. I now have doubt if Australian legislation and policy in child sexual abuse cases is on par with international standards because of the gross misrepresentation of the victim in this podcast.
Starts strong, but wanes over time.
Loved the first few episodes, but it got much more repetitive and boring over time. Additional episodes didn’t seem to add to the story, but rather reinforce existing themes, to the point that it felt like beating a dead horse. Ended up giving up in episode 8, but wish I would’ve stopped a few sooner.
Hamish is no Gatsby. And Jane was sexually assaulted.
This is a superb series; I also loved The Teacher’s Pet (and sincerely hope that monster Chris Dawson finally sees justice). But PLEASE STOP BLAMING UNDERAGE VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT FOR THE ABUSE. Jane (like Joanne in the Teacher’s Pet) was absolutely set upon by a predator, and I wish that the host would understand that she is a victim that Hamish abused in the most vile manner. Stop asking her questions like she just made choices about a “bad relationship” etc — Jane was the victim of a crime, not a woman who made bad decisions in an adult relationship. FFS. I really hope Bec and Jack can understand that Jane was ABUSED.
At some point Hamish is compared to our (as in we Yanks) literary figure Jay Gatsby. Yeah, they both told lies about their histories — that’s where the similarity ends. Gatsby was a true romantic who fought for everything he had in life to win back Daisy (he actually served honorably in WWI — he’s not lying about that detail) and EARNED his money (even though the market and all of that speculation was very Wild West at that time). He wasn’t stealing money from vulnerable grandparents or preying sexually on a teenager while claiming to be her father. Ugh. Hamish is a disgusting predator. He’s no Gatsby — only in his own mind.
Really love this podcast and teacher’s pet, but someone needs to be accountable in this case for calling June’s relationship with Hamish an affair. Jane began going to the dreaded household as a freshman in high school. How is being groomed by a trusted father figure an ‘affair’? A journalist ought to know the definition of a word. Hamish abused Jane, who was morally his own daughter.
As a lot of other reviews have pointed out I was consistently uncomfortable with the treatment of Jane, Hamish’s most vulnerable victim, and the host’s comments during her interview. For one, labeling the manipulation of a child at the hands of an adult man as an “affair” rather than grooming is extremely irresponsible. Everyone besides the host seemed to understand this. Jane showed a truly admirable amount of strength and maturity during her interview, but was constantly undercut by the host. It felt like he was trying his hardest to guilt her. “We all make mistakes when we’re 17.” Really?! That was appalling. Major kudos to her for dealing with those useless and unprofessional interjections. Irresponsible treatment of victims quickly turns true crime reporting into exploitation.
Figured it would be good and I was right!
I listened to The Teacher’s Pet and thought it was really well done, so when I saw that this podcast is also from The Australian, I knew it would be good. And it is!
I loved this Podcast, binged it all in a day. In reading the reviews many where being hypercritical of the portrayal of Jane. Worried that she was be cast in a negative light, however this podcast is clearly about Hamish's victims and she is one. The way the Australian presents it is engaging, he shows how people were feeling when everything was happened. (Ie the “affair”)
By the last episode we’ve caught up and fully know Jane was being groomed and a victim.
Great podcast, great journalism.
Who the hell is hamish
Had to stop listening....keep up the good work
Overall a good listen
I enjoyed this podcast. My only problem with the reporting was the treatment and characterization of Jane. Several times the host referred to her “affair” with Hamish. As a vulnerable 16 or 17 year old girl, she was a child targeted and victimized by Hamish. It’s not an affair between adults, it’s child sexual victimization. The host telling Jane we all “f**k up” as teenagers implies that she was to blame or had any fault in the situation. A similar characterization showed up in The Australian’s Teacher’s Pet podcast where a vulnerable underage girl was seduced and victimized and then painted as having an “affair” with an adult man. To me this was disappointing.
Very well done!!!
This was the best story telling podcast I have ever heard. 👍🏿
Amazing with One Caveat
This podcast is incredibly well done, and it’s first-class journalism and storytelling. The only reason I’m giving it 4 stars is because of Jane’s portrayal as having had an affair with Hamish. She was 16 when he began grooming her for her grandparents’ money. Words like victimized, targeted, stalked, or even raped would be more accurate.
I hope “Jane” reads this and knows that she is so strong to be working so hard to be able to forgive herself, and know that our past mistakes do not define us, and she is helping countless people, including myself, to tell her story. I have nothing but admiration for this young woman, and you make us all more brave. This podcast was an excellent insight into a depraved mind, and hopefully makes us all a bit more wise in our financial dealings.
I truly hope “Jane” understands that absolutely no blame can be attached to her. She was a child. A child who no one protected. She was groomed & manipulated by a grown man. A grown man who many wealthy adults trusted. She was lied to, raped and took advantage of when her brain and body were still developing. The woman who she lived with should have had her move out or move to her grandparents home when she knew her husband was taking advantage of Jane. Her own grandparents should have been more involved. Perhaps child protective services should have been more involved. Again there is absolutely NO blame on Jane. Jane I hope you live a beautiful life moving forward. I hope you know this happened to you and you did not cause this. I hope you find a man who is kind and loving to be your partner and you both do amazing things together in this world. I think you will be an inspiration to many young women who have survived abuse. Blessings to you.
Such a devastating story for so many people. “Jane’s” bonus interview was particularly heart breaking. Such a young age to be effected by such and evil man, in no way her fault, but the devastating guilt she must feel is palpable. I wish there had been more interviews like the bonus episode where we could get a lore in depth feeling for the individuals involved, what they went through and are still going through today. Overall, a great podcast!
Who the hell is Hamish - Bonus episode Jane
This is a fantastic podcast. I have thought son throughout but the amount of respect shown to “Jane” with the publishing of this bonus episode is astounding. She is an incredibly strong and beautiful person and while it may not impact her directly I feel that she should her from everyone how much she is not at fault and I wish I could give her any strength I have to help her forgive herself. Thank you!
I was groomed too
Hearing “Jane” was like listening to my own thoughts and feelings finally articulated in ways I never could. Hope that manipulative bastard suffers.
Send my love to Jane
I too was groomed by a psychopath at a young age. I still have trouble talking about it at times. Thank you for your bravery, I’m sorry you feel at all responsible. You were a child and adults weren’t able to support you when you needed it most.
Jane is not to blame
Please be more explicit in saying that she is a victim, that she was a CHILD, that she shouldn’t be blamed for anything that monster did. And that older men frequently prey on vulnerable young girls, this is a societal pattern, not a one-off.
Lets distinguish the difference between an affair and victimization please
Great listen, however I hope that we can all distinguish the difference between an “affair” and what Jane went through. She was a child who was groomed and victimized. I noticed during this pod and The Teachers Pet that both Jane and Joanne Curtis are referred to improperly (mistress, girlfriend, etc), but they should not be blamed for what happened to them. They were children who were made to feel special by predators and then abused and exploited. Love The Australian. Confident that the network will phase out the improper language.
Super creepy on the Jane interview
This was a very compelling podcast until the “Jane” bonus interview. The interviewer spoke over Jane, attempted to put words in her mouth, and spoke to her as if she was a perpetrator rather than a victim. In his most creepy move, he can not stop trying to extract details about sex from her. It wasn’t an affair or a relationship, she was a child.
Also, come on, Princeton and Harvard are two different schools and neither is in NYC. I don’t know where they visited, but just using all of those interchangeably is ridiculous and poor journalism.
I have experience with a psychopath. Looking back I can see the manipulation, the lies, the conflict and destruction he created. I respect Jane’s willingness to “own” her decisions, but she was a child. Being sexually abused is abuse. Jane has no reason to accept the blame for that. She was groomed by an evil monster. I hope Jane can forgive herself. I hope she can find a good counselor to help her find healing and peace.
One of my favorites of all time
Sometimes they interview people over the phone so audio can be a little funky but definitely worth it. Amazing podcast that shows what a charismatic sociopath can do to trusting and loving people.
Can’t get it to work
Does anyone else have serious problems getting the podcasts from The Australian to play? I absolutely loved The Teacher’s Pet but had constant issues getting the podcast to play. Same is happening with this one. Any ideas?