January 15, 2020
Bryan Callen and today's guest, Caroline Criado-Perez, have very different feeeeeeelings about the word feminism.
December 15, 2019
In this interview, we discuss Mark's latest book "Everything is F*cked."
November 15, 2019
In an age of fake news and alternative facts, Cailin O'Connor's "The Misinformation Age: How False Beliefs Spread" could not be better timed. With fantastic historical examples and the latest science, this episode forces everyone to reflect on how we form our beliefs and how we can all play our role in creating a healthier information space.
October 15, 2019
Although Bryan and Hunter talk about Jon Haidt all the time, this is actually only Jon's second appearance on the podcast. It was well worth the wait. Having read Jon's books many times and interviewed many of his peers, this podcast was a fantastic opportunity to get stuck in and re-examine the world through the lens of both ancient wisdom and modern science.
October 15, 2019
While Bryan has been busy filming his new spinoff Schooled, Hunter has been working hard to figure out how to take Mixed Mental Arts to the next level. We've had so much fun sharing the best ideas we've found in books. We can't wait to share them with an even wider audience. But in the meantime, we will be releasing new episodes every so often.
December 10, 2018
July 30, 2018
Stay tuned until the end for some information on the re-renaming of the show to the Bryan Callen Show.
June 24, 2018
Dambisa Moyo is from Zambia. She's studied the effect of foreign aid on the economies of developing nations. She finds it lacking in many respects. Her new book is Edge of Chaos: Why Democracy is Failing to Deliver Economic Growth and How to Fix It. You can go to and click on our amazon link to get a hold of Dambisa Moyo's new book, and we'll get a cut of the money. Contribute to us on Patreon for early podcasts releases and other promises!
June 18, 2018
Howard Bloom developed chronic fatigue syndrome in 1988. That didn't stop him from writing a bunch of books. His most recent book is How I Accidentally Started the Sixties, which is a memoir. 
June 11, 2018
Allen Gannett is the author of The Creative Curve: How to Develop the Right Idea, at the Right Time and he helps debunk genius myths. That's why Hunter likes him. That's why Bryan likes him. We hope you like him too. Also, Allen loves corgis. Be sure to go to, support us on Patreon, use our Amazon affiliate, and follow us on social media!
June 4, 2018
Adam Hansen and Ken Gordon are innovation guys. They also like to sing songs and enjoy the finer things in life. Their beards make the world a better place.
May 28, 2018
Layne Norton is an expert in nutrition. He's also an elite powerlifter and a professional body builder. In the continuing journey of sorting the wheat from the chaff, Bryan and Hunter learn about how to eat for performance. 
May 21, 2018
Magdalena Edwards is Bryan Callen's neighbor. She's also a translator.  
May 18, 2018
Te Miri Rangi is a Maori from New Zealand who instituted a program known as Whakapapa Fridays as an outreach to young people to instill a connection with their roots. Be sure to go to, support us on Patreon, use our Amazon affiliate, and follow us on social media!  
May 14, 2018
Cesar Hidalgo is the directer of the Collective Learning Group at the MIT media lab,. His book Why Information Grows combines physics and economics to give a new take on economic growth in the 21st century. Be sure to go to, support us on Patreon, use our Amazon affiliate, and follow us on social media!
May 9, 2018
Coss Marte did 4 years in state prison for drug trafficking. While in prison, he became interested in physical training. Now he runs a fitness studio in New York where he hires former inmates and trains people on how to improve their fitness. He's literally turning lives around.  
May 9, 2018
From June, 2014 Bryan and Big Mike talked about everything from the History of Western Philosophy, to capital punishment in Saudi Arabia. Be sure to follow us on social media and check out our Patreon!
May 7, 2018
Lawrence Lessig is a law professor at Harvard, and a friend of the podcast. He ran for the Democratic party nomination in the 2016 presidential election, and was boxed out because he wasn't playing the money game required to compete for elections in the United States. That money problem is the key issue he tackles in his book Republic Lost. Bryan and Hunter get fired up when talking to Lawrence, and this was no exception. Be sure to go to, support us on Patreon, use our Amazon affiliate, and follow us on social media!
May 4, 2018
Bryan Edward Hill is an entertainment industry consultant, author, screenwriter, musician, graphic novelist, and graphic designer. Bryan and Hunter tease out some of his writing skills and how this all connects to psychology, culture, morality, and the monsters within. Honorable Mention to Drake.  
April 30, 2018
Kyle Thiermann, born 1990, is a professional surfer, podcaster, and filmmaker from Santa Cruz, CA. His podcast is The Kyle Thiermann Show. In this podcast, Bryan and Hunter learn about conservation and oceanography, as well as surfer culture. Don’t forget to go to for all the updates of what we’re doing! Social media, too! Give us money on Patreon so Bryan Callen can get a focus group for podcast names, or something like that, and use our Amazon affiliate links!
April 27, 2018
Aubrey Marcus is the purveyor of Onnit. He wrote a new book, Own the Day, Own Your Life: Optimized Practices for Waking, Working, Learning, Eating, Training, Playing, Sleeping, and Sex. In this interview, Bryan and Hunter delve deep into the concept of human optimization and continue the love fest that accompanies Aubrey, because everyone loves him. Be sure to go to, support us on Patreon, use our Amazon affiliate, and follow us on social media!
April 23, 2018
Mark Blyth is a friend of the podcast and an economist at Brown University. Of note in this episode: a college professor pays a marginal tax rate higher than corporations. What matters is paying fair shares, so people like Bryan Callen don't have to pay extra.  Be sure to go to, support us on Patreon, use our Amazon affiliate, and follow us on social media!
April 20, 2018
Gary Noesner was a hostage negotiator. He was at Waco. His stories are great. In this episode of Mixed Mental Arts, Gary breaks down the psychology of hostage negotiation and interrogation. His book is Stalling for Time: My Life as an FBI Hostage Negotiator. Be sure to go to, support us on Patreon, use our Amazon affiliate, and follow us on social media!
April 18, 2018
In this episode, Bryan and Hunter talk about Descartes Error and The Happiness Hypothesis. Humans are bound by their cognitive biases, their emotions, which color their reason. Knowing this aspect of human cognition is critical to better approaching life. From October, 2016. Be sure to go to, support us on Patreon, use our Amazon affiliate, and follow us on social media!
April 16, 2018
Ed Solomon is a friend of the show and the writer behind Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure, Men in Black, and Mosaic. Alex Kurtzman, co-writer of Star Trek, Transformers, and Watchmen. Bryan Callen shares his desire to be a great writer, and picks their brains. Don’t forget to go to for all the updates of what we’re doing! Social media, too! Give us money on Patreon so Bryan Callen can buy books for orphans, or something like that, and use our Amazon affiliate links!
April 13, 2018
Ken Gordon's company helped invent the Swiffer, portable insulin pumps, and much much more. In this episode of Mixed Mental Arts, he shares how his innovation process is based so much on literature and metaphor. Don’t forget to go to for all the updates of what we’re doing! Social media, too! Give us money on Patreon so Bryan Callen invent better sex robots, or something like that, and use our Amazon affiliate links!
April 11, 2018
From Oct 28, 2013 Bryan and Hunter take this episode to reflect on and synthesize everything they've learned over the course of the last dozen or so episodes recording the show together. From the philosophy of Professor Dan Robinson to understanding human memory with Josh Foer, it's been a wild ride. This was a much needed opportunity to digest all they'd learned and pull out the big overarching lessons they've learned in talking to so many awesome guests.
April 9, 2018
Kelly Brogan is a psychiatrist from New York and author of A Mind of Your Own. She began questioning the veracity of Western Medicine after being diagnosed with an auto-immune disease. Bryan and Hunter engage in heated debate over vaccines and science writ large, while remaining curious throughout. Don’t forget to go to for all the updates of what we’re doing! Social media, too! Become a Patreon patron, and use our Amazon affiliate links!
April 6, 2018
Tony Blauer pioneered a self-defense system called SPEAR. It's a realistic method through which one can defend themselves in real-world scenarios. It's right up Bryan's alley. Don’t forget to go to for all the updates of what we’re doing! Social media, too! Give us money on Patreon so Bryan Callen can become a real street-fighter, and use our Amazon affiliate links!
April 4, 2018
Bryan Callen is a Mediterranean man from America. On this episode, he is joined by Dave Colan, Cate Fogarty, Ahmed El Alan, Cara and James to talk about honor cultures and dignity cultures. Go on, click the Amazon affiliate link. We also work with audible, so if  you want to give the audiobook a try, go to We also have a Patreon! If you have a buck, please share with us! We’ll try and send you some swag.
April 4, 2018
Unstructured is a new podcast by a member of the Mixed Mental Arts community, Eric Hunley. This episode is an introduction to that podcast, hosted by Hunter himself. Don’t forget to go to for all the updates of what we’re doing! Social media, too! Give us money on Patreon so Bryan Callen can become a Spanish dancer, and use our Amazon affiliate links!
April 2, 2018
Andy Galpin is a professor of human bioenergetics at Cal State Fullerton. That means he studies muscle. He's literally a meathead. Bryan and Hunter learn about how, when it comes to muscular development, "it depends." Don’t forget to go to for all the updates of what we’re doing! Social media, too! Give us money on Patreon so Bryan Callen can maaaaaybe get jacked and tan, and use our Amazon affiliate links!
March 30, 2018
Ganesh Sitaraman is a professor of law at Vanderbilt University. He published The Crisis of the Middle-class Constitution: Why Economic Inequality Threatens Our Republic in 2017. Bryan and Hunter learn a lot about the history of the United States Constitution and the economic history of the United States. Go to for all the updates of what we’re doing! Social media, too! Give us money on Patreon so Bryan Callen can become a British Lord, and use our Amazon affiliate links!
March 28, 2018
Every mythology has a genesis myth, and this was the genesis of Mixed Mental Arts, long before the name was on the show. This was episode 25 of the Bryan Callen Show, before it was renamed Man Thoughts, then renamed the Bryan Callen Show, then The Bryan Callen Show (with Hunter Maats), and finally, Mixed Mental Arts. Visit our website at Use our Amazon affiliate! Use our Audible affiliate! Give us money on Patreon! Follow us on all the social media!
March 26, 2018
Antonio Damasio is a truly fascinating man. He teaches at neuroscience at USC and is considered the Marlon Brando of neuroscience. Bryan and Hunter inquire about feeeeelings, art, and philosophy.
March 23, 2018
Eldar Shafir is a behavioral economist/behavioral scientist at Princeton University. He co-wrote the book Scarcity with Sendhil Mullainathan. Hunter and Bryan draw out the depth of contrast between the reality of poverty and the assumptions of Homo Economicus as the keystone of human behavior. Go on, click the Amazon affiliate link! We also have a Patreon! If you have a buck, please share with us! We’ll try and send you some swag.
March 19, 2018
Martin Totland is a half-Swedish journalist and photographer from Norway. Cate Fogarty lived in Norway for three years. Under the careful moderation of Hunter ‘The Flying Dutchman’ Maats, they discuss the pros and cons of Scandinavian culture vs. the pros and cons of US culture, the Norwegian ‘Law of Jante,’ the Swedish mindset of ‘Lagom,’ the importance of dried cod in Norway’s 15th century economy, and the historical roots of the holistic, collectivist mindset often found in the frigid North
March 16, 2018
Raphael Minder is the Spain and Portugal correspondent for The New York Times. He schools Bryan and Hunter on the Catalonia situation, and other political tensions in the region. Of course, no discussion of Catalonia is complete without fútbol, either. Don’t forget to go to for all the updates of what we’re doing! Social media, too! Give us money on Patreon so Bryan Callen can become a Spanish dancer, and use our Amazon affiliate links!
March 14, 2018
Sometimes Bryan and Hunter like to get naked together...emotionally. It's time to bare all their thoughts and feelings!!! In this episode, they review everything they've learned and what the big take home lesson is. There's really only one! Tune in to find out what it is. Maybe human nature is like hardware and software... Follow us on social media! Give us money on Patreon! Go to use our Amazon affiliate, use our Audible affiliate!
March 11, 2018
Roman Krznaric teaches philosophy at Oxford. He studies empathy and how it can be applied to everyday life. Bryan and Hunter draw the connections between markets, soldiers, and the power of Bryan Callen to save the world. Roman's new book is called Carpe Diem. Buy it through our Amazon affiliate! Visit our website at Use our Amazon affiliate! Use our Audible affiliate! Give us money on Patreon! Follow us on all the social media
March 9, 2018
Chris Ryan talks with Bryan and Hunter to talk about his book Sex At Dawn, the academic sexlessness, human capabilities vs. human tendencies, swingers' clubs, and how to collectively build the human version of the San Diego Zoo. Also, how much Bryan Callen fuuuucks. Visit our website at Use our Amazon affiliate! Use our Audible affiliate! Give us money on Patreon! Follow us on all the social media!
March 7, 2018
Bryan and Hunter talk about Life, Death, and Human Nature so that we can detribalize and realize our shared humanity. The Big Seven:   Birth Death Societies Sex (Touch) Food (Nutrition) Sleep (Security) Play  And the rituals therein. Support us on Patreon, use our Amazon Affiliate, sign up for a free audiobook at and go to our website at for cools stuff!
March 5, 2018
Michael Shermer is the Publisher of Skeptic magazine, a monthly columnist for Scientific American, and a Presidential Fellow at Chapman University. He also is in fantastic shape, with the physique of a Sardinian fisherman. Bryan, Hunter, and Michael talk about skepticism and Michael’s new book, Heavens on Earth. Go on, click the Amazon affiliate link, and if you want, buy Michael’s book, or go here Support us on Patreon!
March 2, 2018
Sharon Stone is one of the most brilliant people in Hollywood. She is currently working a project related to quantum physics, so Mixed Mental Arts facilitated a conversation with our resident quantum physicist, Spiros Michalakis. What resulted is one of the best podcasts ever.
February 26, 2018
Mark Blyth is a badass economist and a True Scotsman. He teaches at the Watson Institute at Brown University, and wrote a couple of books on economics. He's also hilarious. Check out Mark’s books, Austerity and Great Transformations. Mixed Mental Arts is now an Audible affiliate and an Amazon affiliate. We have a paypal button on our home page. We sell t-shirts through TeePublic. And we have a Patreon. Basically, if you have some spare change, we'll take it. We will save one (picture of a) puppy.
February 25, 2018
From November, 2013. Alexis Ohanian co-founded Reddit out of his dorm room at the University of Virginia. He earned a spot in The Daily Dot's top ten most influential Internet Rights activists of 2012. Still, as you'll discover in this episode, Alexis is an incredibly down-to-earth guy with a great sense of humor. On today's show, Alexis, Bryan and Hunter talk about Alexis' book Without Their Permission: How the 21st Century Will Be Made, Not Managed. Alexis can be followed on twitter @alexisohanian.
February 23, 2018
Andrew Keen is wary of the growth of Google, and skeptical of the quality of user created content on the internet. In this episode of Mixed Mental Arts, Bryan and Hunter tease out some of the logic behind his position. Check out Andrew's Books, How to Fix the Future, The Cult of the Amateur, and The Internet is Not the Answer.  Check out, use our Amazon affiliate, follow us on social media @mixedmentalarts everywhere and on Patreon. We feed starving veterans.
February 21, 2018
This is a dual release with Thaddeus Russell on the Unregistered Podcast. Thad has been on Mixed Mental Arts three times, and we can’t get enough of him. Go to for more great podcasts, and give Renegade University a try. You won’t be disappointed (though you may be pissed off and confused.)
February 18, 2018
Bryan and Hunter are alone together agian for some nice idea sex. They discuss the recent descent of the Emperor on the Washington DC and how he's incorporating his Mixed Mental Arts into his new standup. He is a true master of his craft, as the elves will tell you. Don't forget to go to and use our Amazon link. Hunter's poor despite his Ivy League education, and could use a hair cut. Patreon helps too.
February 16, 2018
At the end of last week's podcast, a man named Spiros walked in. Then he blew everyone's mind. Spiros has been on the podcast before, and if you've listened to those episodes (129, 142, 236, 237, 247) you know what's in store. But the rabbit hole never ends when you're talking to a quantum mathematician who solved an unsolvable problem. Don’t forget to go to our website and click on the Amazon affiliate link, and support us on Patreon so we can feed the Bryan Callen more cheese.
February 15, 2018
Daniele Bolelli and Rich Evirs again sat down with Hunter, and this time Michael Brooks tagged along. They talk about everything. Mentioned is Bolelli's book, "How to Create Your Own Religion."  Don't forget to support us on Patreon and use our Amazon Affiliate if you like our website. The Amazon money goes to support Bryan Callen's cheese habit.
February 11, 2018
Ed Solomon is a screenwriter. He worked on Lavern and Shirley, Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, and his latest work is with Steven Soderbergh on a show called Mosaic. Ed discusses the creative process, how to go along to get along, and when that doesn’t cut it anymore. Go watch Mosaic on Amazon or HBO. Don’t forget to follow us on Social Media and support us on Patreon.
February 8, 2018
Lawrence Lessig ran for President of the United States in 2016. He lost, and we got Donald Trump instead. Lessig is a Harvard Law professor whose book, "Republic Lost" outlines exactly how the swamp in Washington DC got so swampy to begin with. Go to for more information. Don’t forget to support us on Patreon
February 5, 2018
Adam Strange is a YouTuber. He's trailblazing the new media landscape by doing DIY short films and podcasts through open-source distribution. He and Reid Nicewonder have been going out and talking about pressing issues with random people, and people are watching. Check out his YouTube channel, Friended Forever. Check out Reid Nicewonder's work at Cordial Curiosity, also on Youtube. Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast, contribute on Patreon, and follow us on Social Media. We love you.
February 2, 2018
Dan Coyle is one of our favorite authors. He wrote The Talent Code and his new book The Culture Code just came out on January 1st, 2018. Dan talks about how he became obsessed with figuring out how to improve himself, Bryan talks about Lawrence Fishburn, and Hunter applies the ideas to himself.
January 30, 2018
Bryan and Hunter sit down and recap the last 300 episodes of Mixed Mental Arts. Hunter is obsessed with cults, the belt system, and ideas. Bryan is a manly-man. Go to and sign up for the Belt System Pilot Program!
January 29, 2018
Hunter sits down to the table with Sean McCoy, a person who was been inspired in part by Mixed Mental Arts to start his own podcast. They talk Christianity, Science, and how to communicate with someone who disagrees with you.
January 25, 2018
Rosi Sexton fought in Mixed Martial Arts for 12 years. She’s a true master of  Mixed Martial Arts, Mixed Mathematical Arts, Mixed Medical Arts, and Mixed Mental Arts. She has a PhD from Cambridge, and is currently an Osteopath in the UK. She's also a member of the Mixed Mental Arts facebook community.
January 25, 2018
Asa Akira is a feminist, an intellectual, a podcast host, and the author of three books, Insatiable, Asarotica, and Dirty Thirty: A Memoir. Oh, and she also has been appearing in porn for 10 years. This is a repost of episode 120 of Mixed Mental Arts. Since this interview, she’s become the first Pornhub Brand Ambassador, and stared on a reality show. CAUTION: SHE HAS NUDE PHOTOS ON THE INTERNET. PARENTAL ADVISORY.
January 22, 2018
Jamie Black works at Hyper Island. Hyper Island is a Swedish model of education that emphasizes innovation and technology. The Hyper Island team has expanded worldwide and has been lucky to bring on Jamie Black. Jamie and Hunter got connected on Twitter by a mysterious listener. Connect us with someone you know @mixedmentalarts This is your Podcast too!   You can find out more about Hyper Island here:   You can follow Jamie Black on Twitter at @black_jamie
January 20, 2018
January 20th, 2018  After full experience of the insufficiency of the subsisting federal government, you are invited to deliberate on a New Constitution for the United States of America. The subject speaks its own importance; comprehending in its consequences, nothing less than the existence of the UNION, the safety and welfare of the parts of which it is composed, the fate of an empire, in many respects, the most interesting in the world. It has been frequently remarked, that it seems to have been reserved to the people of this country to decide, by their conduct and example, the important question, whether societies of men are really capable or not, of establishing good government from reflection and choice, or whether they are forever destined to depend, for their political constitutions, on accident and force. If there be any truth in the remark, the crisis at which we are arrived may, with propriety, be regarded as the period when that decision is to be made; and a wrong election of the part we shall act may, in this view, deserve to be considered as the general misfortune of mankind… And yet, just as these sentiments must appear to candid men, we have already sufficient indications, that it will happen in this as in all former cases of great national discussion. A torrent of angry and malignant passions will be let loose. To judge from the conduct of the opposite parties, we shall be led to conclude, that they will mutually hope to evince the justness of their opinions, and to increase the number of their converts, by the loudness of their declamations, and by the bitterness of their invectives. An enlightened zeal for the energy and efficiency of government, will be stigmatized as the offspring of a temper fond of power and hostile to the principles of liberty…On the other hand, it will be equally forgotten, that the vigor of government is essential to the security of liberty; that, in the contemplation of a sound and well informed judgment, their interests can never be separated; and that a dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people, than under the forbidding appearances of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us, that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism, than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career, by paying an obsequious court to the people...commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants. -Publius
January 19, 2018
If you haven’t heard the name David Sloan Wilson, then you’re definitely new to Mixed Mental Arts. David Sloan Wilson has pioneered Multi-Level Selection which is one of the cornerstones of the Mixed Mental Arts worldview. It’s how he earned his place in the Holy Trinity of Cultural Evolution and why his book, Does Altruism Exist?, is one of the Four Gospels of the Scientific New Testament.   You can find more of the work of the community David has created at
January 15, 2018
Michael Garfield is a paleontologist who brings the study of the longest imaginable evolutionary timeline to the study of the future. If you’re looking for a new intellectual rabbit hole to fall down, then Michael’s Future Fossils podcast is a great choice. You can also read excerpts from his upcoming book How to Live in the Future at his Medium account. The books Michael mentioned in this episode are: Finite & Infinite Games, What Technology Wants, Common as Air, Xenolinguistics and How to Live in the Future. Follow us @mixedmentalarts
January 12, 2018
Kate Raworth got into economics to change the world. She then found out that the discipline was full of men, in grey suits, who cared only about making GDP go up at all costs. She later left economics and worked for the UN, Oxfam, and other organizations focused on developing the world. Eventually she felt the disparity between the discipline of economics was and what is needed to actually solve problems was just too great. So she wrote a book called Doughnut Economics to model an ideal 21st century economic system.   Kate teaches at Oxford University. She gets to talk about seeming silly things like doughnuts while actually offering a potent critique of what modern economics has become.
January 10, 2018
Don Mei has spent his entire life mixing the mental arts. As the son of a Swiss mother and a Chinese father who spent their lives bridging East and West, Don has help set the table for Humanity’s First Family DinnerTM. His parents were the first people to introduce Chinese medicine to the West. Don now continues that legacy and has built tea culture with Mei Leaf. Don is doing cultural exchange the right way by establishing relationships and trust with the farmers to get them to open and reveal not only their best tea but their hidden secrets. You can find Mei Leaf on YouTube and find more about Don’s work in Chinese Medicine at This isn’t 1990. This isn’t Biggie v. Pac. This isn’t East vs West. This is the best of both. Follow us @mixedmentalarts on EVERYTHING!
January 8, 2018
For the last eleven years, Russ Roberts has hosted the Econ Talk podcast from Stanford’s Hoover Institute. He is a founding father of Podcasts. In addition, he’s the author of the excellent book How Adam Smith Can Change Your Life about the insights contained in the other book of Adam Smith. Although Adam Smith is regarded as the Founding Father of capitalism, he wrote a book called The Theory of Moral Sentiments all about things like altruism and how lots of money doesn’t make us happy. This was a fantastic conversation about how what thinkers actually think is often very far removed from how their image is hijacked and caricatured for narrow political ends, especially in the present environment.
December 31, 2017
In our 300th episode, Bryan Callen talks with Jordan Peterson about his self authoring program, the Wilfred Laurier scandal, political polarization, how to set the right goals, sex, and individualism. Check out the High Def Video Version of this episode on our YouTube Channel. Search "Mixed Mental Arts" on YouTube, man! Follow us and stuff.
December 29, 2017
Katherine Ludwig is a former corporate finance and securities lawyer-turned writer and editor. Now, she has authored Humility is the New Smart: Rethinking Human Excellence in the Smart Machine Age. The ideas that Katherine and her co-author, Ed Hess, lay out in their book are slightly uncomfortable for Bryan. You can follow Katherine on Twitter at @LudwigKatherine.
December 23, 2017
After fighting in the first gulf war, John Nagl returned to the United States and took part in a simulated military exercise. As a tank commander, he had all the overwhelming firepower any soldier could hope for…and yet he lost to a group of Alaskan National Guard infantrymen, known as the Nanooks. Nagl’s unit was unassailable by any conventional military force but a group of lightly armed troops, defying all the rules of how wars “should” be fought had defeated a much, much stronger force. That failure bothered him so much that he decided to devote the rest of his life to understanding it and making sure it never happened again. During the 90’s, the American military trained for the war it wanted to fight: a war just like the first Gulf War. Nagl’s experience with the Nanooks had convinced him that no conventional military would ever make the same mistake that Saddam Hussein had made in taking the US Army on head on. Instead, he suspected that the US’ major threats would come from small, irregular groups of troops employing hit and run engagements rather than full frontal assaults. Even though it would reduce his chances of rising through the ranks, Nagl convinced the Army to send him to Oxford to study counter-insurgency and figure out how the US could defeat an enemy as irregular as the Nanooks. As he read through the histories and primary sources, he came to realize that what the Nanooks had done was a very old form of warfare. In fact, it was the exact form of warfare used by the Viet Cong in Vietnam. The exact form of warfare that America (focused on the conventional military tactics of World War II) had been unable to defeat. While in traditional war, the goal is to annihilate the enemy this strategy is counter-productive in fighting a counter-insurgency. Counter-insurgency is much more complicated, subtle and time-consuming. It is what T.E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) described in his book as being like learning to eat soup with a knife. This phrase so inspired Nagl that he made it the title of his own book on the topic, Learning to Eat Soup with a Knife: Counterinsurgency Lessons from Malaya and Vietnam. Throughout the 90’s and early 2000’s, little attention was paid to this book. By the time Nagl deployed to Iraq for the War on Terror, the book was still virtually unknown. However, as America found itself mired in another insurgency, the American military began to realize the vital importance of Nagl’s insights. And so, General Petraeus asked Nagl to write the official Army and Marine Field Manual on Counter-Insurgency. In his most recent book, Knife Fights: A Memoir of Modern War in Theory and Practice, Lt. Col John A. Nagl (Ret.) tells the story of the incredible revolution in military thinking that he has helped pioneer. If you don’t want the terrorists to win, you should read all of John Nagl’s books.
December 22, 2017
Growing up in Soviet-controlled Romania, Adrian Bejan found himself living in system that tried to prevent of ideas, money, goods and people. It’s only fitting then that his career would not only see him bridging the divide between disciplines but studying flow itself. In 1995 while designing more efficient cooling systems for electronics, he was struck by the similarity between the systems that he was designing and those that occur naturally in riverbeds, capillary systems, leaves and much, much more. And so, the constructal law was born. It’s a real pleasure to have Professor Bejan on the show. He’s an OG Mixed Mental Artist from way back in the day. To learn more about Professor Bejan’s work check out his books Design in Nature and The Physics of Life. You can keep up with all the latest on Constructal Theory on Twitter at @constructal.
December 15, 2017
In the wake of the US Civil War, the Republican Party had won itself a lot of political goodwill. The Party of Lincoln, as it was called, could, in the eyes of many, do no wrong. Not only had it brought the country together but it had ended the great national shame of slavery. It was in this environment where the party could do no wrong that corruption flourished. This same pattern has played out in post-Apartheid South Africa.   Roman Cabanac and Jonathan Witt are the co-hosts of The Renegade Report, one of the most popular podcasts based in South Africa. They join us on the show to tell us all about how Jacob Zuma in conjunction with a family known as The Guptas hired international PR firm Bell Pottinger to deliberately incite racial tensions as a way to distract from widescale corruption.   In an Attention Economy, people will do anything to either bring attention to themselves or move it away from things they don’t want the public to pay attention to. This is the world we live in. The ability to bring humanity’s collective attention to bear on a problem is the challenge of our age. If we can just focus, we can solve our problems. There are people for whom that is the last thing that they want.   You can find The Renegade Report on all major podcast feeds and find them on Twitter at @Renegade_Report.
December 11, 2017
In 1759, while working as a tutor, Adam Smith wrote a book called The Theory of Moral Sentiments that begins as follows: "How selfish soever man may be supposed, there are evidently some principles in his nature, which interest him in the fortunes of others, and render their happiness necessary to him, though he derives nothing from it, except the pleasure of seeing it. Of this kind is pity or compassion, the emotion we feel for the misery of others, when we either see it, or are made to conceive it in a very lively manner. That we often derive sorrow from the sorrows of others, is a matter of fact too obvious to require any instances to prove it; for this sentiment, like all the other original passions of human nature, is by no means confined to the virtuous or the humane, though they perhaps may feel it with the most exquisite sensibility. The greatest ruffian, the most hardened violator of the laws of society, is not altogether without it." In 1776, that same Adam Smith would write The Wealth of Nations, the book that would establish capitalism. To a modern audience, for whom the idea of selfishness is synonymous with capitalism, this seems incredibly strange. However, it wasn't strange at all. Smith was primarily interested in improving the well-being of humanity. To him, it was clear that market forces were one of the great tools for doing this. However, this does not mean that Smith believed that humanity was entirely selfish.  Wilson Sensei will be on the podcast again in the near future. Tweet him @David_S_Wilson 
December 9, 2017
We don’t know just where we’re headed. But we know Saturdays can feel weird. Technically, it's one of your chill days. At the same time, you promised Mom you'd cut her grass - and you have that thing with your girlfriend on the other side of town. Saturday Sessions are for you, my friend. It’s this thing we’re trying out - Classic MMA Episodes and Chill Tunes, on Some Saturdays - for your hyper-paced world, fried neurons, and Big Boy chores (Big Girl stuff, too). Thomas A. Edison said “Everything comes to him who hustles while he waits.” So go ahead: hustle while you wait. We have a feeling Jared Diamond will be back very soon. Saturday chill music courtesy of Honeystone. If you want to know wtf is at the end of this episode tweet @imgooley01 , I'm not really sure and he didn't answer. Follow us and stuff - come along for the ride! #TheresATribeInNewGuinea
December 8, 2017
Hunter has been doing a lot of thinking lately - Gathering his thoughts. Taoism strikes him not as a discovery, but as a rediscovery of an earlier way of being: the way of the Hunter-Gatherer. The Hunter-Gatherer can’t afford rigid categories. He must flexibly take in what is before him to figure out the situation. The Hunter must have a mind like water. The gatherer, too.   In this episode, Daniele Bolelli, Chris Ryan, Bryan, and Hunter talk about how to make a better society. How do we use rules, technology, accumulated wisdom, and insights into our biology to evolve a society - and world - that better provides for our needs? We have no effing clue! But we believe in you ;)
December 5, 2017
If you have friends that still subscribe to the old podcast feed, wake them up. Steal your girlfriends phone and subscribe to Mixed Mental Arts (Official), like Daddy would. Follow us on whatever SM platform you waste time on most. We promise to be useful. Comedy not guaranteed. Love and Peace.
December 4, 2017
Both Daron Acemoglu (MIT economist and co-author of Why Nations Fail) and Dacher Keltner (Berkeley psychologist and author of many books including Born to Be Good) have appeared on Mixed Mental Arts before. They both were amazing and Bryan Couldn't pronounce either of their names.  That is reason enough to bring them back and put them on together to see what happens. But, wait. There's more. Because these two together have the power to do something unprecedented in human history. At least since Plato's Republic, humans have debated the best form of government. (Plato thought it was a "Philosopher King" aka give someone like Plato or Bryan absolute power but recognized that democracy was the least bad system.) However, this has long been an endless debate in which people make the case for the system of government they're biased towards and then dismiss every other opinion as biased. In fact, this highly predictable criticism was leveled at Daron Acemoglu and his co-author James Robinson in the wake of Why Nations Fail. Also, we're starting a campaign to have them write a book together. James Robinson should come along too. Tweet them with #RealHolyTrinity if you want them to do it. Guest Links Website: Twitter:
December 2, 2017
This is a repost. Think of what could have been. We added the music to avoid the Haters Hatin'. If you don't like it. Well, sorry :( Music Courtesy of Honeystone. A Kick Ass band you should know about. Download their album "Scouts Honor" on iTunes. They literally sell their songs for $1. I would pay three. We voted Larry Lessig For President. If you want Larry to try again, tweet him @lessig Follow us and stuff.
November 29, 2017
As a professor at the University of Virginia, Jonathan Haidt uses the scientific method to study human morality…which leads to asking people some pretty screwed up questions. On the show, Bryan, Jonathan and Hunter discuss everything from why Washington is broken to why 1% of men give the rest of us a bad name to tribes in Papua New Guinea that believe a little homosexuality is essential for becoming a man. It's an hour-long journey through the weird and wonderful world of human nature that will leave you with time-tested and science-tested wisdom for how you can be happier and more fulfilled. Follow Jonathan Haidt on twitter at @JonHaidt. For more on his work check out The Happiness Hypothesis, The Righteous Mind and the following websites: #repost of episode 53. Don't playa hate.
November 29, 2017
Wonder why Hunter name drops Joseph Henrich all the time? Who is Joseph Henrich anyway? Today, we talk to the man himself about his book: The Secret Of Our Success: How Culture Is Driving Human Evolution, Domesticating Our Species, and Making Us Smarter. #repost of episode 208. Don't playa hate.
November 27, 2017
Like many kids throughout history, and across the world, Refilwe Ledwaba grew up not knowing what she was capable of. Growing up on the border of Zimbabwe during the apartheid era, it had literally never occurred to her that she could be an airline pilot because she’d never seen anyone who looked like her doing that job. Through a series of chance encounters and the right encouragement, she found her way to a career in aviation. Now, through the Girls Fly Program in Africa, she provides relatable role models for children just like she once was. As Mixed Mental Arts builds a path to ikigai for the entire global village, creating relatable role models for kids everywhere is a crucial component. What Refilwe has done is something we can do everywhere and in every field of human activity.
November 20, 2017
Nope. It's not a typo. Everyone has Ikigai - especially you. Finding it requires a deep and often lengthy search of self. But, first, you should probably Google it.  Or: “Hey Siri, search the web for Ikigai (ee-kee-guy)." Be sure to share what Siri thought you said. Just type Mixed Mental Arts into the search bar on Facebook, or tweet us @mixedmentalarts Until next time!  
November 15, 2017
If you're into podcasts, you've probably heard the name Daniele Bolelli. Hunter and Bryan heard it a thousand times. Then, one momentous day, Scott Weigand of Los Angeles Valley College told Hunter he HAD to listen to Daniele Bolelli’s course on Taoism. That did it! Hunter had to know more - who was this wizard? Hunter went to Bolelli's website, paid ten bucks and listened to the course. It blew his mind. And just like that another deep thinker was brought before the Emperor. Bolelli's crime? He had taken lots of books and whittled them down to the most powerful mental tools: great anecdotes.  Daniele Bolelli hosts two podcasts, The Drunken Taoist and History on Fire. He’s a member of the Mixed Mental Arts Facebook group and can be found there. You can find the serendipitous lectures here or ( Until next time!
November 13, 2017
The first ever Mixed Mental Arts Meetup was in Columbus, Ohio. Drew Sample was amazing enough to come pick Hunter up from the “historic” Detroit neighborhood he was staying in and whisk him away to Columbus to meet the founders of MMA Meetups. This is the podcast they laid down.
November 9, 2017
Michael Brooks co-hosts The Majority Report AND hosts his own show because Michael Brooks is a boss. Michael Brooks is also a self-professed socialist and yet Bryan a self-professed libertarian actually enjoys talking to him because Michael brings a different perspective. Woah! This idea sex is way better than idea incest. Imagine if we got more of humanity into leaving their echo chambers and practicing Mixed Mental Arts...or Michael Brooksiness.  You can follow him on Twitter at @_michaelbrooks and try and convert him from socialism by sending him money at
November 6, 2017
As an early employee at, KMO made a fortune on stock options then spent it all. This change in personal circumstances has led to a massive evolution in KMO’s thinking from "a recovering libertarian and Singularitarian." KMO’s C-Realm podcast provides, as he describes it, “an unintended look into KMO’s evolving worldview.” KMO beautifully represents a feature of the white belt, yellow belt, the orange belt and the green belt. KMO has found himself in many cult(ure)s. None of them having anything to do with a supernatural deity. Moreover, his personal experiences have created feeeeeeelings that have shaped his thinking. The difference is that unlike some people, KMO is not only aware of this but honest and open about it. You can find more about KMO at and
November 3, 2017
The media prophet Marshall McLuhan famously said “The Medium is the Message.” While broadcast television created superstars who spoke to us while we patiently listened, the many technologies that make up the internet send a different message. We live in what Marshall McLuhan called the global village. And this means, we need to think very differently about how we interact with each other and be very careful about putting everything we see and consume in the right context for the younger generation. Who better to talk with then than Chris, the host of The Contextual Podcast? Who is Chris? I don’t know. We met on the internet, struck up a conversation and decided to do a podcast.   Coming from the world of traditional media, you wouldn’t interview Chris. Why? Because Chris isn’t famous. In the endless quest for attention, you’re supposed to ally yourself with people who have lots of it. However, that celebrity culture is a massively dysfunctional one. It is an abuse of kids’ awe and sets up celebrities to be isolated from the rest of humanity. How do you subvert that? Treat everyone like one of your fellow humans who deserves a voice. Revolutions are not made by playing by the existing rules. They are made by insisting that the rules are the ones which fit your view of the world. Mixed Mental Arts believes that the key to making humanity’s first family dinner go well is building a culture in which everyone is heard.
October 25, 2017
Adam Hansen is an #ideasex professional. At Ideas To Go, an innovation consultancy to the biggest companies in the world, Adam helps teams innovate. His great passion is to let everyone know that innovation isn’t some magical thing that only some people can do. It’s something humans are born doing. We love to play and experiment but most of us get that creativity trained out of us.   In his book, Outsmart Your Instincts, Adam teaches people the cognitive biases that can get in the way of innovation.   We’re incredibly lucky to have Adam as a member of the Mixed Mental Arts community and to be able to help give him a platform to help teach the world how to rediscover the confidence to innovate. #ideasex is the Brown Belt of the Mixed Mental Arts Belt System and we could ask for no better brown belt master than Adam Hansen.
October 24, 2017
Andrew Hunt, Reid Nicewonder, Christopher Leon Price and Hunter Maats sit down to talk through the belt system and how humans form beliefs.
October 21, 2017
While in town to speak at the Detroit Economic Club, Derek Shinska organized a Mixed Mental Arts meetup. After getting together for a quick drink, the team got straight down to podcasting. You, too, can organize a podcast meet up in your city. Visit the Mixed Mental Arts Facebook page to make it happen. We'll send you the podcasting gear.   
October 18, 2017
Today, Mixed Mental Artist Anthony Sebido Phaladi shares his Cultural Confession with the good people of Planet Earth. Botho is defined as a deep recognition of another’s humanity and the interconnectedness of all our lives. It is encapsulated in the phrase, “motho ke motho ka batho”, loosely translated to, you are who you are because of the people around you. At its heart, botho strives for social harmony, mutual respect for those around you and a collective understanding of striving for the best version of oneself and society. Read the full article, or submit your own cultural confession, at
October 16, 2017
Sam Sokolow knew Bryan Callen when he was young. Of course, the Kid still looks so young that the concept that he could have been younger is probably confusing to you. Well, those secrets aren’t revealed in this podcast. What is revealed is the story behind the making of Nat Geo’s show Genius which was nominated for ten Emmy’s. Sam takes us inside Season One and behind the myth of Einstein to the man.
October 16, 2017
Dr. Patrick Moore was one of the founders of Greenpeace. He’s now left the organization. This is his story.
October 8, 2017
We know. We're, like, the only Podcast on planet Earth with two Podcast feeds. But, somehow, you've found us. It's probably not destiny but it has been a weird nine months for Mixed Mental Arts. We hope this #repost of Episode 207 will answer the age (year) old question: WTF is Mixed Mental Arts? We invite you to leave us a review with your thoughts on this new approach, insults, and maybe even guest suggestions.  For the latest episodes, please unsubscribe from our old page and tell your mom to subscribe to Mixed Mental Arts (Official). You can always visit us at for more information.  We'll certainly be wrong along the way but maybe just maybe with the help of a lot of other people we might become slightly less idiotic over time. The fundamentals of your mental game are getting your assumptions right. We start here with the most basic assumption of all. What makes humans succeed? After hundreds of interviews and a lot of reading, we believe Harvard Professor Jo Henrich has found the answer. Humans are the only animal that can acquire culture. You can follow Professor Henrich on twitter @JoHenrich (This episode originally aired in May 2016 as Episode 207)
October 6, 2017
Thaddeus Russell is the author of A Renegade History of the United States, Host of the Unregistered podcast, and founder of Renegade University. Here, he joins us to conclude a three-part series on "Truth". Having undone the idea of “truth,” the trio now unpack the spurious correlation between skin color and intelligence in humans. Show notes at 
October 6, 2017
Thaddeus Russell is the author of A Renegade History of the United States. He also hosts the Unregistered podcast and founded Renegade University. In this second part of a three-part series, Thad continues tutoring Emperor Callen to prepare him for rule. Thad beautifully lays out why truth is the authoritarians favorite mechanism for unquestioning acceptance.
October 5, 2017
Aaron Alexander is the host of the Align Podcast. You can also hear Hunter on Aaron’s podcast. Besides having gold skin, Aaron goes by many names...all of them given to him by Bryan Callen.   Aaron believes how you move through a room is how you move through your life. Every moment is an opportunity to cultivate your body, mind, and movement with effective education and intention. Moving well is simple and teachable, these are the steps to making it happen!
September 22, 2017
Chris Ryan's van is back in town and that means it's time for Hunter to climb back into it again. After dosing Hunter with some sort of mystery tea, the idea sex gets going and Uncle Chris and Hunter start talking about this movement that's building in the podcasting world. UK-based artists Fantich & Young call it Primeval Yet Contemporary. Some people call it Chris-Ryanism. Chris Ryan calls it Paleomodern. Although our culture has taught us to feel fear and shame around our biology, the reality is that we're primates. We poop. We fuck. We sleep. We play. Bryan Callen power fucks. You can improve your technique in how you do some of these things but again and again that wonderful emotion known as arrogance has often caused us to think that we are smarter than nature. In the great improv game that is life, Chris Ryan has now taken Chris-Ryanism (aka Paleomodernism) to the next level. He has given us a simple resource for detribalizing humans en masse: The Big 7.
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