April 28, 2020
Kevin Twit is a pastor, theologian, songwriter and friend. He's a Nashville legend, having shepherded many artists and thinkers through their college years as the leader of RUF at Belmont University. An expert and frequent speaker on the subject of old hymns, he's just a smart dude, and I'm thankful to know him. He married Alison and I and we have been friends for over half my life now. Our internet was out at our house all last week, which shut down my upcoming interviews, so I thought I would repost this older, and yet very timely, conversation. To find out more about Kevin, you can visit: For more about me or my music you can go to: --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. Support this podcast:
April 14, 2020
Where do you even start with Ron Block. As a musician, he is an absolute legend. You know how many Grammys Taylor Swift has? Ten. John Legend? Ten. How many Grammys has Ron Block got? FOURTEEN!! You know how many Dove awards for best album packaging I have lost? Two. Ron has won a lot of those awards, of course, from his tenure as banjo and guitar player for Alison Krauss and Union Station. He’s also a member of the Soggy Bottom Boys, who were featured in the Coen Brothers film, O Brother, Where Art Thou. But for people who know Ron, you kind of forget pretty quickly that he’s a legend. Because he’s such an amazing guy. He’s a student who’s read more books than a lot of us have ever seen. If you follow him online you would know what a gift he has with the written word and the nuances of kindness and thoughtfulness. He is just overflowing with wisdom, and graciousness and our community is so much the better for it. Personally, I don’t know how often we have started talking about guitars or recording gear and then all of a sudden we’re talking about being fathers and husbands, and from there it’s a quick hop over to C.S. Lewis and the Apostle John, and back to guitars and gear. It’s all one conversation because the se things are all a part of one well-lived life. It was so fun to sit down with Ron and kick this off with a memory that has long stuck with me, of one of our first great conversations. I made an off the cuff remark, and his reply taught me more than many books I’ve read or sermons I’ve sat through. His faith in Jesus is practical and applicable in a way that shouldn’t be so surprising, but is. And it was a big game changer for me. Join us for this one and I think you’ll start to understand why. You can find Ron’s new album “A Light So Fair” AND sign up for online guitar or banjo lessons from the absolute master at: For more about me and my music or this podcast you can visit --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. Support this podcast:
April 7, 2020
David Johnson is the founder of an organization called Silent Images. They are storytellers who come alongside non-profits and ministries to help them share the work they’re doing through video and photography. But David wasn’t always a business owner or a ministry partner, or even a photographer. This is a great empowering story of what happens when you choose to say yes to the doors that open in front of you as you take simple steps forward in service, compassion and obedience. I found this conversation with David very encouraging. Silent Images is an amazing and vibrant company, and I really enjoyed my time with David Johnson and I know you will, too. If you’re interested in learning more about David and his work, you can find Silent Images at their website: You can find brakeman’s coffee and supply online at For more about me and my music or this podcast you can visit --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. Support this podcast:
March 30, 2020
You probably know Mark Stuart as the lead singer of the massively successful band Audio Adrenaline. But he’s also a husband, a father, a new author, a divorcee, and a man deeply in love with the nation of Haiti. And, he lives in an RV…. Audio Adrenaline and The Normals, my first band, were actually label-mates around the turn of the century. Obviously, they were a huge success and we, we were not. The paths of our two bands rarely crossed. But I can tell you, the few times we did connect, we would ALWAYS walk away talking about how incredibly kind they were. I see after this conversation, that we were surely correct. What might be the most surprising, though, is how the band ended and what Mark’s like looked like afterwards. This is a story of a guy who lost everything, and how that’s where God met him. Mark is a passionate, honest guy with a renewed lease on life. I loved getting to connect with Mark and I hope you find this as encouraging and eye-opening as it was for me. For more info on Ben, check out his website: Or get his book on Amazon: Andrew's links: --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. Support this podcast:
March 24, 2020
Ben Shive is a genius record producer, piano player, string arranger, and poet. He's also a husband, a father, a church elder, and a dear friend of mine, and to many in our community. I've known and worked closely with Ben for twenty years now, and while I've always marveled at his skill and musical prowess, in the last few years I've been more and more impressed by who Ben has been becoming as a person. He's had to deal with some major changes, particularly around health, and I've learned so much from watching the fruits of the Spirit be so evident in that process. I am always deeply encouraged by the time we get to spend together, and I'm thankful that we get to work together a lot again these days. I'm also glad that I get to bring so many of my artists into his orbit, and that I get to share this conversation with you. For more info on Ben, check out his website: Andrew's links:
October 15, 2019
A couple years ago Jeremy Cowart was named the “Most Influential Photographer on the Internet” by Huffington Post, Forbes and Yahoo. He’s also an artist, an entrepreneur, a public speaker and a husband and father of four kids. Before all that, he was probably the first “web designer” I had ever met, way back in the early 2000s. Not only is this dude an incredible artist and photographer, but he’s now building his own hotel. In his own words, he operates to "explore the intersection of creativity and empathy." Jeremy’s is a wild journey and a story that just might get you off your couch to go try to chase that crazy dream. This was a perfect episode to end this season before we take a break for the rest of the year. For more info on Jeremy, check out his website or his instagram: Sponsor a child through Compassion International today!! Get your tickets for Andrew Peterson's "Behold the Lamb" tour: Andrew's links:
October 8, 2019
Don Donahue is back! Together, he and I spend this hour discussing questions sent in by listeners after our interview last month. We get to tell some great stories and talk about community, intentionality, and what it can look like to be open to God's leading in our lives. Thank you for these great questions! What an honor to get to share this hour with Don, one of my heroes. If you enjoy this kind of episode, let me know. I think it could be fun to do more of these in the coming season. Sponsor a child through Compassion International today!! Get your tickets for Andrew Peterson's "Behold the Lamb" tour: Andrew's links:
September 24, 2019
Nate Larkin was a pastor, the son of a pastor, a young husband, and also a sex addict. His story is one of incredible sadness and also incredible hope. He has gone on to found an organization called the Samson Society, a fellowship of Christian men who are serious about authenticity, community, humility & recovery. It’s been a place of much healing for thousands of men walking through addiction. He is a fantastic storyteller with an infectious laugh and you’ll end up sitting in the parking lot, late for work, until this one’s done. Nate is the host of the Pirate Monk podcast and the Positive Sobriety podcast, alongside last week’s guest, David Hampton. I also need to give a big plug for the website, where you can join virtual meetings pretty much any day and find friends around the world ready to help carry your burden. There are blogs, podcasts, ebooks, software, and a thousand different tools and resources to help guys walk out of isolation and shame and into healing and recovery. Sponsor a child through Compassion International today!! Get your tickets for Andrew Peterson's "Behold the Lamb" tour: Andrew's links:
September 21, 2019
David Hampton finally told a friend that he was an alcoholic. Years later, he’s now an addiction recovery specialist helping people out of the situation he had once been in himself. I first knew David, though, as the worship leader at the church I attended in college. I had heard through the grapevine that his wife was not doing well. I did not realize she was bedridden for years with MS, and sadly, I had not heard that she had passed away a few years ago. But truthfully, I probably would not have heard about any of this, had it not been for the fact that a few of my friends, friends who have undergone the long and incredible task of breaking addiction, who started telling me about this amazing man who had been guiding them into a life of sobriety. Once I connected the dots and realized this was a guy I at least knew a little bit, I just knew I had to talk to him. This was so rich, and so useful. You’re going to love learning more about David and enjoying this incredible conversation. For more about David you can visit his website: Sponsor a child through Compassion International today!! Andrew's links:
September 10, 2019
Garett and Carrie Buell met and married when Garett and I were in the band Caedmon’s Call together, and Carrie was in a band called Alathea. Since leaving music full-time, they have started an incredibly successful real estate and architectural photography business, Studio Buell, with a staff of eleven photographers, also mostly former musicians. This was a delightful trip down memory lane of how their bands were started, being mentored by Rich Mullins, and how a visit to a Compassion site in Ecuador and a shared love of cameras started this whole deal. Carrie and Garett are so much fun and it was great to catch up and be inspired by their story. For more about Garett and Carrie, please visit: Sponsor a child through Compassion International today!! Andrew's links:
August 27, 2019
Don Donahue might not be a familiar name to most of you, and that’s how he likes it. But as a kid reading liner notes in his bedroom in Illinois, there were three or four names that always seemed to pop up on album after album and Don Donahue was one of them. Turns out he was A&R on some of the most important albums of my youth, Michael W Smith’s “Change Your World”, Rich Mullins “The World As Best As I Remember It” and “Liturgy, Legacy”. I do that exact job now, A&R, but I didn’t know then what it was. Turns out Don might not have either. There’s a lot more here, to starting a new label, called Rocketown, with Michael. And then having to close it down, too. Like pretty much everybody, Don has had to reconfigure, reinvent, and reinvest himself in different roles and the communities that spring up around them. And he’s not done. What’s super fun is that he’s brought himself to the podcast to not only share his story, but also to open himself up to let you and me speak into what’s next. The end of this one is going to lead us to a different kind of episode, that will happen in about a month or so. We’re going to hear Don’s story and then if you have any thoughts or ideas or questions after our conversation, you can send them to me and Don and I will talk through them on an upcoming episode. That’s part of a larger discussion I’ve been having about how we can make the podcast more useful and more collaborative. I’m excited to see how it goes and I encourage you to dig in and send us your questions and your thoughts. For now, enjoy this fun and lively discussion covering a wide range of music, faith, business and community. Sponsor a child through Compassion International today!! Andrew's links:
August 20, 2019
My guest today is from the nation of Eritrea, in Northeast Africa. He has been granted legal and permanent asylum here in the US. To get here, he was smuggled through 18 countries on a terribly dangerous journey. He is currently pursuing American citizenship and hopes to return to Eritrea someday, as a visitor. The story you’re about to hear may put some of those things in jeopardy were they to become known, so I’m just going to call him “my friend from Eritrea”. Here is a wild, almost unbelievable, and deeply impacting story. You’ll be on the edge of your seat. I can’t stop thinking about it. My friend is a great storyteller, and THIS is a story worth telling. Sponsor a child through Compassion International today!! Andrew's links:
July 16, 2019
Diana Beach Batarseh is, and has been, a number of things. An educator, a school founder, a wife, a mother, a widow, a wife again, a gifted songwriter and a brilliant worship leader. She is one of the most thoughtful, wise, and kind people I know. This was a wide-ranging and beautiful discussion about life and how we live it. We talk about all of these different seasons of her life and so much more. This was one of my favorite interviews, personally, and I know you are going to love it. To learn more about Diana’s Children’s Catechism project, go to: Sponsor a child through Compassion International today!! Andrew's links:
July 9, 2019
Charlie Peacock is a legendary record producer, songwriter, artist, author and thought leader. He’s written hit songs for Amy Grant and dc Talk, discovered and produced Switchfoot and the Civil Wars, and won multiple Grammy awards. He and his wife Andi founded the Art House, where luminaries like Eugene Peterson or Bono would came to speak, and where I now have my studio. He is one of the most interesting and important people in the history of Christian music, and he has played a pretty important role in my life, personally, as well. He’s done everything you can think of in this business, including at one point working at a record label and dropping a little band called The Normals. (GASP!) Charlie came back to his old home recently to sit with me and talk about his start in the music business, his first encounters with Jesus, and his family’s move to Nashville. We talked a lot about his past few years, starting a new School of Music at a university and then having to walk away to deal with health issues, and all that he’s learning in this season. It was an incredible gift and honor to get to have this conversation and I know you’re going to love it. The new website where Charlie and Andi are sharing their recent writings: Charlie's paintings: Sponsor a child through Compassion International today!! Andrew's links:
July 2, 2019
Nathan Tasker is a father, a songwriter and, alongside his wife Cassie, a co-director of the Art House Nashville. Nathan and Cassie have had some of the highest highs and lowest lows over the past dozen years or so, and the insight and wisdom that Nathan has to share is remarkable. This is an episode you'll wish you could underline and highlight, it's got so many wonderful moments. And a pretty great accent. To find more info on Nathan, hear his music, and see when he's playing or speaking near you, visit: To learn more about the Art House: Sponsor a child through Compassion International today!! Andrew's links:
June 18, 2019
Dennis Parker was a seven-year-old banjo champion, and now he plays guitar with Ricky Skaggs. We talk about that a little, but we talk a lot more about prison, being an alcoholic, and running from responsibility until it catches up with you. Dennis is an amazingly kind and talented man. He speaks with such wisdom, humility and vulnerability. This felt like a sacred moment and I know you will get a lot out of it. Might be one to share, too, if you know someone who needs to hear it.   Check out Dennis, his music, and his weekly videos: Sponsor a child through Compassion International today!! Visit CleanWater Cartwheels! Andrew's links:
June 11, 2019
Kelly Corday is a radio DJ, a mother, a widow, and (for a brief time) was my cubicle neighbor at the record company where I work. This one covers a lot of ground, as we talk about grief, family, and what it looks like when you’re in a job that’s not right, and you know it on day one. Kelly is a lot of fun to talk to, and she also had a home video of her dog go viral, but I forgot to ask about it!   Check out Kelly's blog and listen to her radio show: Sponsor a child through Compassion International today!! Visit CleanWater Cartwheels! Andrew's links:
June 4, 2019
Eric Peters is a singer/songwriter I’ve known and admired for half my life. These days, however, you’re more likely to find him covered in grass clippings or acrylic paints than on a stage singing his songs. There are heartbreaking and beautiful reasons why, and Eric is unflinching in sharing his story with us. Getting to share this conversation is a deep honor and am so inspired by my friend. We touch on everything from used golf books, lobster boiling, and jewelry store jingles to addiction, depression and how hard it can be to raise kids. This one goes deep fast and also made me laugh about as hard as I have all year. Check out Eric's music, artwork, used books, and tour dates: Visit CleanWater Cartwheels! Sponsor a child through Compassion International today!! Andrew's links:
May 29, 2019
Trillia Newbell walked away from law school as an African-American woman because she felt God calling her to ministry. That must have seemed crazy at the time, but it has borne so much good fruit. Today, Trillia is an accomplished author, speaker and blogger, who I first learned about when I was handed a copy of her INCREDIBLE book "God's Very Good Idea". I tracked her down because I had to learn where this book came from and learned she lived just a few minutes away, here in Nashville. As well as a mom and fitness guru, Trillia writes a lot about the Bible, fear, race, and parenting. She’s written a series of bible studies and currently serves as the Director of Community Outreach for the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission for the Southern Baptist Convention. Her joy is contagious and this chat was surprising and wonderful. Check our her books and other writings at: Sponsor a child through Compassion International today!! Andrew's links:
May 21, 2019
Jody Davis is the guitar player for the Newsboys. He's also one of America's premier pipe-makers. It was super interesting to talk about the history of the band, but also how Jody discovered a love of pipe-making and how that took care of his family through an incredibly hard season. Who would imagine the paths of our lives will take sometimes? Sponsor a child through Compassion International today!! Check out Jody's pipes and his work with the Newsboys: Andrew's links:
May 14, 2019
Amanda Lindsey Cook has been a breakout artist for Bethel Music the past few years. She's also had to face one of the hardest seasons in her life at the same time, which ultimately led to living alone in a house on a hill, where she wrote her newest album. This was a fantastic chat covering a myriad of subjects, from Canada to piano lessons to the Kingdom of God and why black is the brightest color of the rainbow. Amanda is a joy to talk to and you're going to love this first episode of Season 4!   Sponsor a child through Compassion International today!! Andrew's links:
May 7, 2019
Friends! The Pivot is coming back next week for SEASON 4! We're going to have some amazing guests: More CCM legends, some dear old friends, dear new friends, authors, musicians, and other folks willing to share their stories as they figure out what's next.  We're super excited to announce that we're partnering with Compassion International to bring you this season. We have some incredible stories to tell of some of the greatest pivots of all, as lives are changed around the world, and here at home, through the great work of Compassion.  This is going to be great. Check back every Tuesday morning for new episodes. Now go do something awesome.
February 12, 2019
Dr. John Delony told his wife he would never work in higher education again. Then he took a job as the new Dean of Students at Belmont University. This episode is fantastic. One of my favorites. John is super smart, super funny, and super honest. He and his family are new to Nashville and we are definitely catching him mid-Pivot. Though, it may seem, he kind of lives there. We cover a lot of topics in this one, from child psychology and parenting, to marriage and communication, to kissing your roommate's girlfriend, anxiety and depression, and high school basketball coaching. Buckle up, this one is a wild ride and you're going to want to come back to listen again. Would you take five minutes and fill out our Pivot listeners survey? Andrew's links:
February 5, 2019
Leslie Jordan was one half of the duo All Sons & Daughters. She's written some of my favorite songs that the Church now sings all around the world. At the top of her artist career, their band took a hiatus that ended up permanent. Why? And what happens after? Well, some hard things, and a lot of wonderful things, too. That's what. As always with Leslie, this conversation was fun, insightful and super encouraging.  We talk about Hawaii, working at a Church, adoption, and learning why and how to lead others to be better writers. You can find Leslie and her work with The Fold at: Would you take five minutes and fill out our Pivot listeners survey? Andrew's links:
January 29, 2019
John Tumminello was a Manhattan banker who worked two blocks from the World Trade Center the morning of 9/11. What followed was a journey that led to Nashville, a job in radio, free concerts under the shadow of the Parthenon, and a family. John is a great guy with an amazing story. You're going to enjoy this one. You can find John and learn more about The Conservancy at: Would you take five minutes and fill out our Pivot listeners survey? Andrew's links:
January 22, 2019
Buddy Greene is the best, and probably only, professional harmonica player I know. He wrote the Christmas favorite "Mary, Did You Know?" And more than that, he's a funny, wise, and encouraging friend.  We got to talk about the great names of harmonica players, pot-smoking Christian hippies, and touring with Bill Gaither. Quite a range of subjects! The meat of this conversation really hangs on identity and how we can so easily find it in what we do rather than who we are as God's children. Buddy is a legend and this was a super fun way to kick off the new year of Pivot podcasts. You can find Buddy and his music at: Please support: Andrew's links:
January 15, 2019
REPLAY: Ellie Holcomb is a singer/songwriter/author/mom and an all-around delightful person. You'll laugh, you'll cry. At least I did while we recorded this one. Ellie has some beautiful wisdom and encouragement in this chat and a first or second listen is good for the soul. You can find Ellie and her music at: Her new Children's book and album at: My favorite thing today: Andrew's links:
January 8, 2019
REPLAY: Dave Barnes is a brilliant songwriter, comedian and all around gentleman. This was my very first episode and it's fun to revisit where we started. I still come back to a lot of the ideas we talked about in this one. You'll laugh! You'll cry! You'll enjoy listening again, or for the first time! You can find Dave and his music at: My favorite thing today: Andrew's links:
December 18, 2018
REPLAY: Sally Lloyd-Jones is one of the most delightful and inspiring people I know. Her writing is beautiful, funny, insightful and life-changing. Or, rather, she writes in a way that makes the life-changing Gospel inviting and simple to understand. This was one of my favorite early episodes and it's even better on the second listen. You can find Sally and her books at: My favorite thing today: Andrew's links:
December 11, 2018
REPLAY: Bebo Norman was a successful singer/songwriter, and then, he wasn't...  This is what it looks like to make a decision towards health over what everyone else might assume is best. So happy for Bebo and his family and where he is now.   My favorite thing today: Andrew's links:
December 6, 2018
REPLAY: Annie F. Downs is an author, a speaker and a friend. This is a replay of our episode from Summer 2017, when she was writing the beautiful book "Remember God", which is available now.  You can find Annie at: Lovoso pens here: Andrew's links:
November 28, 2018
Ginny Owens is a singer/songwriter, author, occasional professor and now, a full-time seminary student. She has an amazing gift for writing and communicating the unique way she sees the world. This was a fun chat about how she got started in music, what led to her teaching at a college here in Nashville, and what it's like now navigating New York City as a blind seminarian. I'm such a fan of Ginny, both her music and her as a person. I'm sure you'll understand why as you listen. You can find Ginny and her music at: Support these: Andrew's links:
November 6, 2018
Jeff Huxford was a family doctor in small-town Indiana until a car crash dealt him brain trauma and the end of his medical career. He wrote a book about the experience, which is out this week, called "Finding Normal". We got to chat about what drew him to medicine, what happened the day of the crash, and what it's like to lose your memory and have to start over. We also get a special announcement from my daughter, Sadie, so listen up! You can find Jeff's book and blog at: Support these: Andrew's links:
October 30, 2018
Casey J did not intend to be a full-time Gospel artist. She was quite happy in the teaching roles she had worked hard to create. It would seem that God had other plans. It was so fun talking to Casey about those plans. She is a deep well and a joy to chat with. We talk about being the only black family in an all-white school, "code-switching", and practicing the art of walking away from good things. We also discuss aerobic vs anaerobic energy and, and this one kills me: creative ownership vs creative stewardship. Casey's website: And her music on Spotify: Our Sponsor: Andrew's links:
October 23, 2018
Dr. Russell Moore, is the president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention. He’s also brilliant, funny, wise and kind. This was a wonderful conversation about politics, racism, and why you’re in a family crisis ALL THE TIME.   We cover a lot of ground in this one, and spend a lot of time talking about family and the constant state of change that surrounds it. Add a little mid-life crisis in there and you’ve got yourself one fantastic episode!   You can find Russell’s new book, “The Storm-Tossed Family” here: His website and the ERLC: Our Sponsor: Andrew's links:
October 16, 2018
This chat with Allen Levi was such a gift to me. Allen was a lawyer until his early 40's when he quit to become a singer/songwriter. Since then he's written THOUSANDS of songs, travelled all over, been a small town Judge, and takes care of his family's farm in Georgia. A few years ago he wrote a book, "The Last Sweet Mile", about the year he spent caring for his brother as he passed away. Allen is a poet and unbelievably kind and gentle soul. I don't even believe I get to do this sometimes, getting to have these conversations. This was one of my favorites and I imagine it might be one of yours, too. You can find Allen's books and other musings at: And his weekly songs here: Our Sponsor: Andrew's links:
October 9, 2018
Missy Wallace founded and leads the Nashville Institute for Faith and Work (NIFW). She became inspired to study faith and work in 2013 after working in Corporate America and then the nonprofit sector for over 10 years each and realizing that work can be a part of God’s unfolding story if we allow him to guide it rather than our false idols. This one makes you wish you could underline a passage of a podcast, so get ready to hit rewind a couple times to catch every morsel. Missy is a wise and gifted communicator and she so quickly cuts to the heart of WHY we do what we do, and what we're so often missing in the process. Check out Missy's work, and all the incredible resources of the Nashville Institute for Faith and Work at: Our Sponsor: Andrew's links:
October 2, 2018
Eric Brown was pretty lost before he found photography, while on the road pushing cases for a couple bands. Now his images grace the cover of magazines, album covers, and this particular podcast. But Eric's story, and that of his family, forever changed six years ago when they learned their unborn daughter, Pearl, had some serious health issues and would likely not survive. What followed was a series of miracles, and a series of heartaches.  I was deeply honored that Eric chose to share his family's story with me. This episode was powerful, painful, and beautiful. Check out Eric's website and his incredible instagram: Our Sponsor: Andrew's links:
September 11, 2018
JJ Heller is a singer/songwriter, mom, and former high school basketball star who is now building a new phase of her career as a full-time lullaby-ist. Ok, that's not a real thing and a bit of an overstatement, but it's a fascinating story how she got to where she is today. Listen as JJ shares with us her struggles with anxiety and panic, how she has learned to manage them, and how they have been part of what's led her to her second album of lullabies. This was a refreshing, open, and hopeful dialogue about a subject that is rarely talked about in Christian circles. And stay tuned after the episode for a special live performance of another new song!! Check out JJ's new single: Her blog, "YOU'RE NOT GOING CRAZY": And her website: Our Sponsors: Andrew's links:
August 28, 2018
Larry Kloess, founder of Cause A Scene, one of 2015's "50 Coolest Companies" according to Business Insider, built an amazing network of secret concerts for indie artists throughout Nashville's underground. It was all going so well, at least on the surface... and then one day Larry woke up in the hospital, overwhelmed with stress and exhaustion. Two years later, he's one of Nashville's fastest up-and-coming realtors. What?? Larry's on a wild journey and he still sends me a birthday card. You'll love this chat. Reach out to Larry here:  615.306.5128 Our Sponsors: Andrew's links:
August 22, 2018
Scott Sauls is an author, a thinker, and the pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church here in Nashville. We had a great chat about being clearly cut out for pro sports, working with Tim Keller in New York City, and different types of diversity. We also got to talk about what career and calling looks like when it's not tied to income. As always, Scott is both challenging and encouraging at the same time. Check out his books, sermons and weekly email thoughts at: Our Sponsors: Andrew's links:
August 14, 2018
Chris Sligh, artist, worship leader, deep thinker and former American Idol guy, has quite the story to tell. I did not expect where this conversation started nor where it ended up and I thoroughly enjoyed it.  Chris has undergone maybe the most important and inspiring pivot of all: kindness over "right-ness". And he lets us in on his honest self-assessment and conscious steps towards health and truth. We talk a lot about fundamentalism, 4HIM and Bebo Norman, Chris's experience on American Idol and life after it. Then we get to the good stuff about identity and choices and why being loving is more important than being right.  Whew. This was a good one. Check out Chris's new album, "A Modern Liturgy", at: Our Sponsors: Andrew's links:
August 7, 2018
LISTEN TO THIS ONE. Dr. Jaco Hamman is a South African apartheid draft dodger turned American academic. Aside from running a PhD program for pastoral care and psychotherapy at Vanderbilt, he's written books about how we deal with technology, how we handle change and loss, how the Millennial experience lines up with the book of Joel, and a bunch of others. I learned so much from this conversation and I'm sure you will, too. This was a complete joy and I can't wait for you to hear it. Our Sponsors: Andrew's links:
July 31, 2018
Katy Hutson is cancer-free!! This was not something we were very sure would happen for quite a while this past year. Katy is one of my oldest friends in Nashville. She's a gifted songwriter and wordsmith, as well as a wonderful friend, wife and mother. Katy and I sat down this past weekend to talk about music, writing, making plans and what happens when those plans get derailed with a very aggressive form of breast cancer.  She wrote a book of poetry during this season that you can currently support on Kickstarter, AND YOU SHOULD. Here's the link: Our Sponsors: Andrew's links:
July 17, 2018
Ryan Stevenson was driving an ambulance when his hit song first came on the radio. Everything was about to take off... but then it crashed. Hard. Years later, he was driving an ambulance AGAIN when his hit song was on the radio. Ryan has got quite a story and I was honored that he came by to share it with me. You'll love this conversation and you should check out his music, too. Our Sponsors: Andrew's links:
July 3, 2018
Jenny Dyer pivoted early on in her career when she learned about the AIDS crisis in Africa in the early 90's. Though she is neither, her story involves working closely with politicians and rock stars, yet that is really the least interesting part of this conversation. Bono is cool, yes, but what is really truly amazing is HOW MUCH GOOD has come of the work that she and so many others have devoted themselves to.  If this interview doesn't get you off your butt and motivated to use your voice, then, I don't know, listen again. This was fantastic. Our Sponsors: Andrew's links:
June 26, 2018
Jason played in the NFL for 11 years, 4 for the Indianapolis Colts and 7 for the Tennessee Titans. Not bad for a Texas kid who hoped to make his college team. Now he teaches economics at a local high school. Talk about a Pivot! This is a fantastic story and Jason has a lot of wisdom and insight that reaches beyond the bounds of sports. It was great to talk to someone whose experience and interests were so different than mine and to see just how much our stories had in common. You'll love this one. Our Sponsor: Andrew's Links:   Now, go do something awesome.
June 19, 2018
Leigh Nash, lead singer for Sixpence None the Richer, comes by to chat about life before and after a worldwide hit, records we made that we don't like now, and being a conduit for other's words, as well as dealing with worry, and that rascal Dwayne who helps out with the police horses by my house. This was such a fun conversation and it was a treat to get to know more about the Leigh in her own words. Stay tuned after the interview for Leigh's latest single, a cover of The Pretenders "Don't Get Me Wrong". Our Sponsors: Andrew's links:
June 12, 2018
Joseph is running for the Tennessee State House of Representatives, which was not the plan. A former teacher who, with his wife Palmer, became lawyers employed at the same firm. Then came a day when they knew they had to move on and they left the law firm with no plans and a newborn... and it was a good thing.  I've never met a politician before and I thoroughly enjoyed getting to have this real conversation with Joseph. Some great insight into a life I could not even imagine.
June 5, 2018
Rapper/speaker/activist Sho Baraka joins Andrew for the first episode of Season Three. Hear about Sho's winding career path, from hip hop to insurance to musical theatre to Faith & Work conversations in Atlanta. This was a fun and fascinating conversaion, particularly when Sho shares about the years where speaking his mind became a liability. The Pivot is glad to be back!
April 3, 2018
Rob Wheeler is a FASCINATING and thoroughly genius individual. He's running a branch of Covenant seminary, started Friends of L’Abri Nashville, tells some pretty great jokes and is a deeply wise and thoughtful friend. In the intervening months between recording our interview and posting it Rob had another Pivot, so this is a brand-new interview with a little "interviewlet" from the first one added at the end. Rob is so interesting to me that he lived in Russia and we never got around to it TWICE! This is our final episode of Season Two. Thank you everyone for listening and for our sponsors for making this possible. Blind Tiger Record Club - AND THEIR NEW PODCAST The National Worship Leader Conference - May 7-9, 2018, Nashville, TN New College Franklin Please visit for tour dates and music. Now go do something awesome!
March 27, 2018
Carl Meier left his VP position at a national bank to start his own brewery, Nashville's Black Abbey Brewery. This was a fun conversation with a super smart dude. We learn about Carl's transition from finance, to diaper champ, to running the most successful new brewery in Music City. We also learn A LOT about Martin Luther, beer-making nuns, and why making Belgian beer was at the heart of the reformation. We also learn a little about Mutt Lange and why Def Leppard, Shania Twain and Bryan Adams all kind of sound exactly the same. What a fun conversation. For more about Carl and Black Abbey, visit
March 20, 2018
One of Nashville's finest songwriters Sandra McCracken joins Andrew to chat about her start in the music business, old record players, and shouting for the church to "Sing it!". While her roots are still firmly planted in alt-country folk music, she has built a large catalog of songs for the Church, and invests much of her time in hymns, sacred songs, children's music, and her position as a worship leader at her Anglican parish here in Nashville. Find Sandra's new album "Songs From The Valley" and read her writings for each song here:
March 13, 2018
Singer/Songwriter, friend and neighbor of Andrew's, Christopher Williams joins us on The Pivot today, to talk about how you can make a personal change of motive and direction while never changing your specific career. Christopher is a loyal and dear friend and this was a sweet conversation full of wisdom.  Stay tuned after the episode for a song from Christopher!
March 6, 2018
That's right, Andrew interviewed his brother. Robbie Osenga may hold the podcast record for number of actual pivots in his career. While currently the CPO of web design company Cybernautics, Robbie is also the founder of the LeRoy Preparatory School, has been featured on TedX, and speaks regularly around Central Illinois about education, calling and communication. This was a fun conversation in their parents' basement over Christmas break.
February 26, 2018
Steve Mason is probably the only Platinum-selling, Grammy-winning artist to ever cut my hair, but that's what he's doing a lot of these days. Hear what it was like to go from Jars of Clay to his barbershop, The Handsomzier.
February 13, 2018
Author/Professor/Southern Gentleman Jonathan Rogers joins Andrew for a rousing conversation about Milton, ghost writing, higher education and the nature of calling itself. Jonathan is a brilliant and honest man and his transparency allows for a lot of wisdom. You'll love this interview. For more about Jonathan: Jonathan's website: Subscribe to The Habit: Jonathan's books: Wilderking Trilogy on Thanks for listening!!
February 6, 2018
Author Russ Ramsey joins Andrew in front of his Netflix fireplace to talk about his work as a pastor, a writer, and the chief content officer for They also talk about Renaissance Art, Mark Knopfler, Jerry Seinfeld and Russ's heart surgery and subsequent book, "Struck". Stay tuned after The Pivot for another mini-podcast featuring a new song called "Mercy", inspired in part by Russ and Andrew's friendship.
January 30, 2018
Author, Speaker, Songwriter, Priest Ian Cron sits down with Andrew for a chat about the various points in Ian's career. They also discuss how the enneagram, and knowing more fully who you are, is a valuable asset in handling change in your life. For more with Ian visit Also, stay tuned after The Pivot for another bonus mini-podcast with a story and song from Andrew's new album "The Painted Desert".
January 23, 2018
Todd Dickson, CEO and founder of Valor Collegiate schools in Nashville tells Andrew about his journey from electrical engineering to real estate to India to founding some of the most cutting-edge, and successful, schools in the country. A fascinating story with a really interesting look at how you actually build a diverse, respectful and engaged system of education. For more about Todd and Valor schools visit Stay tuned after The Pivot for a BONUS PODCAST talking about the fourth song, "Marjorie" from Andrew's new record "The Painted Desert". The album will be available via Kickstarter from Tuesday, Jan 16 until Tuesday night, Feb 13. Get it now!! Please visit for more about this podcast. Now go do something awesome!!
January 16, 2018
Today's guest is Al Andrews, founder and executive director of Porter's Call, a ministry providing free counseling services to recording artists. He and Andrew talk about Al's eleven jobs, what leads someone to go into counseling, and why Al never uses the word "calling" anymore. It's fascinating and Andrew laughs a lot. For more about Al and Porters Call visit Stay tuned after The Pivot for a BONUS PODCAST talking about the first song, "Beautiful Places" from Andrew's new record "The Painted Desert". The album will be available via Kickstarter from Tuesday, Jan 16 until Tuesday night, Feb 13. Get it now!! Please visit for more about this podcast. Now go do something awesome!!
January 2, 2018
LISTEN TO THIS ONE. This was one of Andrew's absolute favorite interviews so far. The great Ashley Cleveland tells her story and it's just beautiful. Addiction, music, babies, Rich Mullins, Jesus. This one covers a lot of ground. A great start to the new year.
December 26, 2017
Kevin Twit, founder of Indelible Grace Music and Andrew's personal Yoda, sit down to chat about the nature of calling, discovering great old hymns, New Kids On The Block, and how seminary is not the greatest place to meet girls. Find out more about Kevin's work at Come hear Kevin speak about hymns in Nashville on Jan 5-6, $48 tickets for only $15 with code "thepivot" at: For more about The Pivot, please visit
December 19, 2017
Amanda Bible Williams, of She Reads Truth, joins Andrew at the dinner table. They discuss writing dialogue for anamatronic puppets, children who walk too early, and how offering to help with your little bit of free time can change the world for hundreds of thousands of people. You can find Amanda on social media @biblewilliams and her and her team's work at Please visit for more about the podcast or to support our Patreon. Thanks!!
December 11, 2017
Randall Goodgame, of Slugs and Bugs, sits with Andrew to chat about lifeguarding vs background piano music, writing songs for other people, and what it's like when you have a vision and your friends think you're crazy. And please visit to say hello or support our Patreon. THANK YOU!!
December 4, 2017
FashionABLE and Mocha Club founder Barrett Ward drops by to tell his story. He and Andrew talk about selling books door to door, green-tinted whiskey glasses, and what it looks to use business to make a quantifiable change in the world. Listen for a 20% OFF code for your first purchase at! Please visit to stay in touch or support our Patreon. You can find Barrett's work at:
November 27, 2017
Reed Arvin was Rich Mullins' producer, as well as a best-selling suspense novelist and a college professor. Andrew got to sit with him and hear stories about working with Rich and what led him to being an author. They also talk about cancer, South American night clubs and growing up describing the world for a mother who's lost her sight. It's a wide-ranging conversation, with some great stories and wonderful insight. Please visit for other episodes, to back us on Patreon or to say hello!
November 21, 2017
We’re back for Season 2!! Today’s guest is the wonderful Sally Lloyd-Jones, author of the Jesus Storybook Bible. She and Andrew talk about her first career as a children’s book editor and how she finally decided to pursue her dream of being an author. Inspiring and encouraging. Also, British accents are wonderful. Visit for more about the podcast or to support us on Patreon. We’re glad to be back!!
September 27, 2017
Old friends Andrew and Andrew sit down for this final episode of Season One. They talk about community, writing books, gigs under trees, Rich Mullins, and life-changing quotes that no one remembers saying. Before the chat Andrew gives us a little update on Season Two, whether or not he'll be his own guest, and the Rich Mullins tribute show at the Ryman auditorium this past Sunday night. Please visit for Andrew's music and to keep updated with The Pivot. Thanks SO MUCH for listening!! Please leave a review if you enjoy this podcast!
September 18, 2017
Andrew chats with Stacia Freeman, founder of Nashville non-profit Epic Girl, and they chat about her beginning in audiology, huge families, being a starter and the work Stacia and her team does here in Nashville. Inspiring story. To learn more about Epic Girl check out their website: For more about Andrew and The Pivot, please visit
September 11, 2017
Andrew sits down with music/film legend Steve Taylor where pretty much Steve tells stories and Andrew laughs at them. Hear about starting a record label for Sixpence None the Richer, having a worldwide #1 hit, being a janitor, hiring your own professors, and how great Andrew is at Speed Scrabble. (He's really good.) This one was super fun. As always, check out for info about other episodes and Andrew's music.
September 1, 2017
Dan Haseltine of Jars of Clay and Blood:Water Mission joins Andrew today as they discuss commencement speeches, fashion consultants, the overlapping circles of calling and vocation, and the amazing work Dan and his team do at Blood:Water. To see Sadie's cartwheels please visit - All donations in September will be matched!! Check out for more episodes or to learn more about Andrew.
August 28, 2017
Annie Downs comes over and chats with Andrew about how long they've been friends (longer than he thought), life as a teacher, being in a group of broke friends, rejection letters, and who's in the picture frame for Annie's new book. Check out for more about The Pivot and our host Andrew.
August 21, 2017
Andrew talks with his friend Don Chaffer, who he used to stalk, and talk about the beginning of Waterdeep, losing your parents, the choices that choose you as an adult, and musical theater. A LOT about musical theater. It's fascinating. Check out for more about The Pivot and our host Andrew.
August 14, 2017
Bebo Norman sits down with Andrew as they recount starting music careers before the internet, crashing on couches and playing YoungLife camps, starting families and investing in community, and ultimately putting down the guitar and starting over in a completely new career. Check out for more about The Pivot and our host Andrew.
July 5, 2017
Welcome to the Pivot. Stories of people who have made a change. This is our introductory episode where host Andrew Osenga tells us a bit about the journey that led to this podcast and what you can expect to hear in season one. Upcoming guests include: Dave Barnes, Ellie Holcomb, Dan Haseltine, Bebo Norman, Annie Downs, Steve Taylor, Don Chaffer, Andrew Peterson and Stacia Freeman. You can find out more about this podcast at
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