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September 3, 2019
In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about our new Journal—Heart of the Gospel: Penal Substitutionary Atonement. Join the 9Marks community: GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9Marks INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore
June 25, 2019
In recent months, complementarians have been in ongoing discussions about what precisely it means to be a complementarian. Does it mean that women ought not be pastors? Does it mean that women ought not preach in the church? What does 1 Timothy 2:12 specifically forbid? Unfortunately, many of these conversations yield more heat than light. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan chat about these recent complementarian kerfuffles, in particular how the two “sides” of the argument can disagree and converse with one another charitably. Join the 9Marks community: GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9Marks INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore
June 18, 2019
Our world is full of problems. But what can healthy churches do about it? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan sits down with Mark to talk about different cultural problems—from the #MeToo movement to identity politics, from social justice concerns to persecution—and think through how pastors ought to address them. Join the 9Marks community: GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9Marks INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore
May 28, 2019
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May 14, 2019
In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about our new Journal—Church Membership: Following the Lord Together.
May 7, 2019
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April 30, 2019
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April 23, 2019
We know the church is comprised of the people, not the building. And yet, church buildings can be extremely valuable, useful, and vital for the health of long-term Christianity. In this conversation, Jonathan chats with Mark about these topics and more. Join the 9Marks community: GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9Marks INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore
April 16, 2019
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April 2, 2019
Jonathan talks to Jamie Dunlop about the new book, "Budgeting for a Healthy Church" now available in the 9Marks bookstore. Visit 9marks.org/bookstore for more. "If you want to see your church move toward health, the church budget has to move toward health." -- Join the 9Marks community: GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9Marks INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore
March 26, 2019
Lament is a "prayer in pain that leads to trust." Join the 9Marks community: GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9Marks INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore
March 19, 2019
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March 5, 2019
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February 26, 2019
When deciding where to live, Christians ought to consider normal factors: school district, safety, etc. But they should also consider—and perhaps even prioritize—how location affects their relationships at church. Join the 9Marks community: GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9Marks INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore
February 19, 2019
The Great Commission has been fulfilled, at least in part, by local Christians setting aside money to pay someone to teach them God’s Word full-time when possible. Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman discuss the principle of churches paying their pastors. Join the 9Marks community: GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9Marks INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks BOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore
February 12, 2019
What’s the difference between a church plant and a church? Is it best to start a church with a team of pastors rather than a solo pastor? Join the 9Marks community: GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9Marks INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks
February 5, 2019
For this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviewed Mark Dever and Sam Emadi about our new Journal, Ecclesiology for Calvinists. Download the 9Marks Journal at http://9marks.org . Join the 9Marks community: GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9Marks INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks
January 29, 2019
In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan asks Mark and Bobby a bunch of questions about the Lord’s Supper. What’s the most biblical position: open, close, or closed? Should the Supper be given at small groups and summer camps, weddings and nursing homes? How often—weekly, monthly, quarterly?
January 22, 2019
Almost every Christian denomination and tradition practices baptism. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark and Jonathan are joined by Bobby Jamieson to discuss practical questions about baptism and its connection to the local church. Join the 9Marks community: GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9Marks INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks
January 15, 2019
In this episode, Mark and Jonathan discuss the biblical and theological principles for why Christians gather on Sundays, and why, generally speaking, those principles make canceling any Sunday gathering an unusual choice.
January 8, 2019
What do pastors in the throes of church revitalization need to know? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviews Mark and two other pastors who went through a revitalization, Andy Davis and Aaron Menikoff. Join the 9Marks community: GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9Marks INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks
December 18, 2018
How does a man discern whether he ought to pursue pastoral ministry? What if he's already in a successful career? In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark and Jonathan chat with Brad Wheeler about how the Lord led him away from a career in finance to pastoral ministry. Join the 9Marks community: GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9Marks INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks
December 11, 2018
In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan sits down with Mark, John Folmar, and Andy Johnson to talk about healthy churches and global missions. Join the 9Marks community: GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9Marks INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks
December 4, 2018
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November 27, 2018
What’s the goal in contextualization? How do we know if we’ve gone too far, or not far enough?
November 20, 2018
The Bible tells us that “God is love.” But what does that actually mean? And what does it have to do with our lives and the local church? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat about Jonathan’s new book, The Rule of Love.
November 13, 2018
It’s vital for individual Christians to pursue holiness. But how can church members work *together* in fighting against the sin of pornography?
November 6, 2018
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October 30, 2018
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October 23, 2018
‪How should a pastor shepherd people through disagreement? How should he balance the tension between being a truth-teller and a peacemaker?‬ ‪Mark and Jonathan discuss. Join the 9Marks community: GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9Marks INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks
October 16, 2018
Churches shouldn’t farm out personal evangelism to pastors, professionals, or programs. Instead, the goal for every church ought to be a culture of evangelism. Join the 9Marks community: GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9Marks INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks
October 9, 2018
Pastors must teach their people about what a church is. If they don’t, then who will? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about this often overlooked part of a pastor’s job description.
October 2, 2018
Are members’ meetings in the Bible? How can a pastor cultivate a culture where people care about the business of their church? What tone should mark these kinds of meetings? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan discuss members meetings—what they are, where they are in the Bible, and how to make them of spiritual interest.
September 25, 2018
In the season premiere of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan and Mark sit down with John Onwuchekwa to talk about his new 9Marks book Prayer: How Praying Together Shapes the Church.
July 17, 2018
Mark and Jonathan discuss the subject of burnout, particularly how it happens and what church leaders can do to avoid it in the first place.
June 5, 2018
Good books help us follow Jesus. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan discuss instrumental books in Mark’s conversion, what books every prospective pastor should read, and what books church leaders should hand out to their people.
May 29, 2018
Complementarianism is an umbrella term, under which Christians with both “narrow” and “broad” convictions stand. Narrow complementarians are reluctant to say much more about the differences between men and women beyond texts like Ephesians 5:22 and 1 Tim. 2:12. “Broad” complementarians place these Pauline precepts inside of a larger theological “vision” or “definition” of manhood and womanhood that applies to all of life. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever talk about these theological distinctions, and how they sometimes threaten the unity of local churches.
May 22, 2018
What does a biblical deacon do? How do they differ from elders? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan talks to Mark about the biblical office of deacon.
May 15, 2018
What do we mean when we say that Scripture is “sufficient”? Does the sufficiency of Scripture have anything to do with pastoral ministry? Does it shackle pastors or does it provide them reassurance? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about these questions and more.
May 8, 2018
Through the liturgies of the Reformation, evangelical doctrine was as much caught in public worship as it was taught in published writings
May 1, 2018
In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with pastors Jamie Dunlop and Bobby Jamieson to discuss their roles, and how their work complements Mark’s as the senior pastor.
April 24, 2018
In this episode, Mark chats with Jonathan about his new book How the Nations Rage: Rethinking Faith & Politics in a Divided Age.
April 17, 2018
For many churches, the Sunday School hour has gone by the wayside. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk about how Core Seminar classes can become a vital ministry for any local church.
April 10, 2018
We're gearing up for the sixth Together for the Gospel conference. Does this conference—which will host 12,000+ people—exacerbate the problem of celebrity pastors, especially as articulated recently on TGC by Andy Crouch? Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman discuss this question among many others.
April 3, 2018
In this episode, Mark and Jonathan sit down with Nick Roark, a pastor and the author of the new book "Biblical Theology: How the Church Faithfully Teaches the Gospel".
March 27, 2018
Jonathan and Mark continue their conversation on elders' meetings, exploring common questions like: should elders require unanimity? What should a new pastor do if he inherits a contentious elder? Should close decisions be delayed, or should elders just move forward? How can senior pastors resist the temptation to dominate every meeting?
March 20, 2018
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March 13, 2018
It's not a pastor's job to have a PhD. But pastors *are* called to protect the flock from false teachers, and to shepherd people through theological questions and concerns. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark and Jonathan are joined by Ligon Duncan of Reformed Theological Seminary to talk through these issues.
March 6, 2018
In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Matt Merker—a pastoral assistant at Capitol Hill Baptist Church—chats with Mark Dever about the usefulness of pastoral internships.
February 27, 2018
In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever discuss the benefits and best practices of hosting a regular, church-wide prayer gathering—in addition to the Sunday service.
February 20, 2018
How should pastors respond when their ministry is marked by disappointment and unmet expectations? "Pastor, if you’re discouraged by a lack of fruit, stop looking at the past 20 days. Look at the past 20 years." — Mark Dever
February 13, 2018
Is “mere Christianity”—the conviction that we should focus on only what’s essential to being a Christian—really the path toward true Christian unity? Does it guard the gospel over time?
February 6, 2018
Pastors are used to saying goodbye to long-time friends. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviews Mark about how to prepare for these sad-but-joyful moments.
January 30, 2018
January 2018 marks the 20th anniversary of 9Marks. To celebrate that milestone, Jonathan interviewed the two guys who were there when it all began: Mark Dever and Matt Schmucker.
January 22, 2018
Discipling doesn’t need to be tethered to an elaborate program. Instead, it should be a part of a church’s culture. That’s easy to say, but hard to implement. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about discipling in the local church.
January 16, 2018
Jonathan Leeman interviews four seasoned pastors—Mark Dever, Burk Parsons, H. B. Charles, and Jeramie Rinne—about leadership.
December 19, 2017
Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman continue their conversation about racial division in the church, highlighting the ways pastors can both educate themselves and work against it.
December 18, 2017
Mark Dever reflects on his friendship with the late R.C. Sproul.
December 12, 2017
Mark Dever chats with Jonathan Leeman about America's racial history, and how Christians should learn from brothers and sisters who aren't like them. Join the 9Marks community: GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/app TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9Marks FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9Marks INSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9Marks
December 5, 2017
What goes into planning the Sunday gathering? Who should pick the songs, the Scripture readings, the types of prayer? Should all these choices be thematically related to the text that will be preached? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Matt Merker—a hymn writer and a pastoral assistant at Capitol Hill Baptist Church—asks Mark Dever all these questions and more.
November 28, 2017
How long should a preacher prep for his sermons? When and how should he consult commentaries? What’s the best way to involve others in the process?
November 21, 2017
Almost everyone agrees pastors need to be trained, both practically and theologically. But does this mean they must receive formal theological training from a seminary? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviews both Mark and C. J. Mahaney about how pastors should be trained, and what seminaries have to do with it.
November 14, 2017
How should a church find its next pastor? Who makes this decision? A search committee? A group of elders? The pastor all by himself? And once such a search begins, how should it start? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviews Mark about “one of the most important decisions a church makes,” that is, finding its next pastor.
November 7, 2017
Over the past several decades, the multi-site church model has become quite popular. Recently, however, The Village Church, pastored by Matt Chandler, announced it was transitioning all of its sites into independent local churches. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Matt to talk about the reasons behind this decision.
October 31, 2017
What is the mission of the church? Is it to preach the gospel and make disciples—or is that too narrow? What about good works? What about seeking transformation for our neighborhoods—or is that too broad?
October 24, 2017
Pastoring can be lonely. But it doesn’t have to be.
October 17, 2017
Does church order really have anything to do with discipleship? Isn’t one polity—presbyterian, congregational, etc.—just as good as another? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to talk about these questions and more.
October 10, 2017
Evangelicals are always in danger of losing the gospel because they don’t appreciate the role of the conscience and Christian freedom. The conscience is there to protect Christian freedom—and Christian freedom protects us from legalism. This is important because when legalism is indulged, it can actually threaten the gospel itself.
October 3, 2017
Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to talk about how local churches can more wisely support overseas work.
September 26, 2017
In conjunction with the Fall 2017 Journal "The Reformation and Your Church," Jonathan Leeman interviews Mark Dever on the Reformation and its usefulness for Christians today.
June 20, 2017
We just released a Journal on church planting and church mergers. Because neither Mark nor Jonathan wrote an article for it, we devoted this episode of Pastors’ Talk to the topic. Also: this will be our last Pastors’ Talk until September, though we’ll be recording them all summer, so send us your ideas if you have them! SHOW NOTES: — Have you (Mark) ever been a church planter? (2:30) — Why are the topics of planting and mergers worth thinking through? (4:10) — Is there a different skill set for the church planter and someone leading a church merger? (8:00) — What’s some bad advice you often hear for church planters? (9:20) — Do some of the problems stem from a dependence on agencies as opposed to churches? What are agencies useful for? What should they not do that they tend to do? (11:00) — What common wisdom do you have to offer those involved in church mergers? (13:10) — When does the “church plant” become a church? (19:00) — Who should leave a church to go with a plant? (20:00) — Do you have elders first, and then members? Or the other way around? (22:20)
June 13, 2017
In a few weeks, we’re releasing a new book, Conversion: How God Creates a People, in which Michael Lawrence makes the case that one’s doctrine of conversion has massive effects on one’s philosophy of ministry. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk about this connection. SHOW NOTES: – What’s this new book Conversion about? Why is conversion one of the nine marks? (1:55) – How does conversion affect one’s philosophy of ministry and even preaching style? (5:30) – Do liberal Christians have a doctrine of conversion? Same-sex affirming churches? (7:10) – How does Genesis 3 inform our doctrine of conversion? (9:00) – Is the doctrine of conversion going to become more and more offensive? (14:40) – Biblically speaking, what is conversion? (15:40) – Does “belonging before believing” undermine a biblical doctrine of conversion? Open communion? Spontaneous baptisms? (17:20) – How does a biblical doctrine of conversion affect a pastor’s preaching? (20:00) – How is church discipline an implication of the doctrine of conversion? (23:00)
June 6, 2017
One of the most important and time-consuming tasks for a church and its pastors involves receiving and releasing members, bringing them in and seeing them out. And yet, it's almost never talked about in books on the church or in seminary. To fill in this gap, Mark and Jonathan devoted this episode of Pastors' Talk to the one topic: receiving and releasing members.
May 30, 2017
In many evangelical churches, the public prayers are casual, short, and few. Is that a problem? How does this contemporary situation compare to the history of Protestant churches? How should pastors seek to reinvigorate their churches’ prayer practices? Jonathan sat down with Mark to discuss all these questions and more. SHOW NOTES: – In your experience, what does the public prayer look like in the average evangelical church? How does this compare historically? (:50) – Without impugning motives, why do churches play so little? (2:50) – Is there a pattern of corporate prayer in the Bible? (4:00) – Is a church being disobedient if they’re not giving ample time to corporate prayer? (5:25) – What does should the public prayer look like? What is a prayer of praise of confession? Should only men pray publicly? (6:30) – How should a pastor think through his “pastoral prayer” (14:00)? – This amount of prayer can be tough to get through for those not used to it. It slows people down and causes us to actively participate in a service. (21:00) – Why pray “we” not “I”? (24:45) – What about a Sunday evening prayer service? (25:15)
May 23, 2017
It’s tempting for a new pastor to show up with a laundry list of problems that need to be fixed. But that approach almost never works, and many have left churches worse off due to their hastiness in implementing change. To help pastors with this, Jonathan sat down with Mark to chat about how quickly a pastor should try to make changes in a church. SHOW NOTES: – You’ve said before that young pastors have great acuity, but poor depth perception. Can you explain that? (1:00) – What kinds of mistakes do young pastors take? (2:40) – How did you moderate the pace of change at the beginning of your time at CHBC? (5:50) – Is “change nothing in your first year” good advice? (9:45) – What should a pastor give himself to in the first year? Why is preaching so crucial? (13:00) – Should a pastor deliberately set out to build relationships with those who are disagreeable? How much does that help? (15:55) – Why should some pastors not practice church discipline right away? (18:00) – How much does handing out books help? (19:50) – Three areas of things that might change. (23:00)
May 16, 2017
Does the senior pastor—or the teaching pastor, or the lead pastor, or whatever title your church gives to the man who preaches most often—have more authority than other pastors, either in the pay of the church or not? Does he have a kind of different authority? If you’ve served in a church with a plurality of elders, then you’ve felt tension over these questions. In order to help, Mark sat down with Jonathan to discuss the biblical warrant for a “senior” pastor, what his involvement looks in the church when he’s not preaching, and more. SHOW NOTES: – First things first: Is “senior pastor” a biblical designation? (1:00) – What about the “co-pastor” model? (3:30) – Why is it that the man who preaches most often will almost inevitably accrue the most authority within the congregation? (4:30) – What is Mark’s involvement in the church, even when he isn’t preaching on Sunday morning? (5:15) – Does Mark as senior pastor have “more authority” than other pastors, staff or non-staff? (6:15) – How does a “senior pastor” set the direction for a church, either good or bad? (9:15) – How does a pastor submit to other pastors? (11:15) – What counsel do you have for associate pastors who disagree with their senior pastor? (13:25) – How should he respond to a pastor who’s been heavy-handed? (17:25) – Any advice for a new pastor with an established elder board? (20:00) – How do you cultivate unity among elders? (24:00)
May 9, 2017
It’s a question countless pastors ask every single day: How can I grow my church? In his new book WORD-CENTERED CHURCH, Jonathan Leeman offers a biblical answer to that question. In summary, God intends to grow his church through the proclamation of his Word—and once proclaimed, God intends for that Word to reverberate out from the pulpit and into the whole church’s life and ministry. WORD-CENTERED CHURCH encourages pastors and church leaders to resist the temptation of pragmatism and to instead build their churches on a more trustworthy foundation. For this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark chatted with Jonathan about all this and more. SHOW NOTES: – What’s necessary for a church? Does it require a dependence on the Bible? (:30) – If a church is built on the Word, what room does that leave for good deeds? (4:30) – What’s the role of preaching? Why “Word-centered church” and not “Christ-centered church”? (6:20) – When people think about worship, should they associate it strictly with music? (9:30) – How does the Word reverberate throughout the church and its church’s life? (11:30) – What do you say to the pastor who doesn’t spend time to study the Word? (13:15) – In a church with a lot of nominal Christians, how should preaching being prioritized? (16:30) – What’s Word-Centered Church all about, and how does it differ from Reverberation? (18:00)
May 2, 2017
These days, small groups are quite common. But are they enough for community and accountability? What’s the best way to do small groups such that they don’t interfere with the regular Sunday gathering? Mark and Jonathan discuss these questions and more in the latest episode of Pastors’ Talk. SHOW NOTES: – Does Acts 2 describe small groups? (0:45) – Is there a biblical precedent for small groups? (1:25) – Is it new that churches build in their pastoring through small groups? (3:40) – How much guidance should you give small groups? (6:40) – What should small groups do? (10:40) – Who should lead a small group? (12:00) – Should non-members be in small groups? (13:30) – Should small groups take the Lord’s Supper? (14:45) – What do you say to the member who doesn’t really come to the Sunday gathering, but is very committed to their small group? (15:45)
April 25, 2017
Being “called” to ministry isn’t entirely personal, internal, and subjective. It involves both the individual and a church, an internal desire and external confirmation. In this Pastors’ Talk episode, Jonathan asked Mark about common misconceptions of pastoral calling, how pastors can cultivate an environment where callings get tested, and the role of the church throughout. SHOW NOTES: – What does it mean that calling is both internal and external? (:30) – Why would you slow a guy down who says, “I know I’m called to ministry”? (2:20) – What do you say to someone who responds to your hesitation with, “But pastor, the Lord is leading me?” (5:00) – What are some common errors churches make in discerning one’s sense of calling? (8:50) – What’s a proper biblical understanding of calling in Scripture? How does it relate to vocation? (10:50) – Who confirms a pastor? When you leave your church, are you still a pastor? (15:20) – How does a man’s wife play into his calling as a pastor/elder? (16:40) – How can a pastor cultivate a healthy environment to test young men and their calling to ministry? (19:05) – Any general advice for those experiencing the call to ministry? (20:10) – Is there a special calling for overseas missions? (23:50)
April 18, 2017
Does your congregation look like the people who live around it? If not, does it matter? How important is it that a church reflects its surrounding community? For the latest Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman sat down with Mark Dever to chat about these questions and more. SHOW NOTES: – How hard should a pastor and a church work to reach different kinds of people? Changing music? Changing the way we preach or what we wear? (1:30) – What about who’s up front? Who gets hired? For example, should white churches seek to hire non-white pastors in order to reach non-whites? (6:00) – What counsel do you have for the pastor who leads a church that doesn’t look like its surrounding community? (10:15) – In being deliberate about these things, isn’t there a risk of “inauthenticity”? (12:15) – What’s the importance of a culture of discipling and evangelism, where members are consistently learning to love people across differences? (14:10) – How should pastors be careful about the ways they speak publicly on these matters? (17:25)
April 11, 2017
Authority is God’s good and dangerous gift. Therefore, it’s of the utmost importance for pastors and church leaders to exercise their authority well, and in doing so image God. SHOW NOTES: – Why is authority such an under-talked about topic? (:45) – Has authority been especially villainized in our current culture? (2:10) – Are evangelicals any different in their views of the authority? (6:10) – What is authority? (9:05) – Why do you think a passage like 2 Samuel 23:3–4 is so important as we think about authority? What can they teach pastors today? (11:00) – How does a pastor wield his authority well? (14:30) – What’s the difference between authority and authoritarianism? (15:00) – How can a pastor be pro-authority while also being anti-authoritarian? (17:05) – Why is the abuse of authority so heinous? What does it look like for someone to abuse their authority, or to use it too aggressively? (19:45) – How do you pastor those Christians who have only know the abuse of authority? (23:30)
April 4, 2017
How do we know what makes a good pastor? Do we learn this exclusively from the Bible? From the latest business books? Jonathan chats with Mark about what a pastor is, and what it means to take a pastoral approach to Christian ministry.
March 28, 2017
Jonathan chats with Mark about good and bad reasons to leave a church, and offers principles for leaving well once the decision has been made.
March 21, 2017
We just released a Journal with close to 20 articles on Pastoring Singles. Because the Journal was Mark’s idea, Jonathan sat down with him to ask questions on the topic. SHOW NOTES: – Why a Journal on singles? (0:40) – What are the biggest challenges and benefits of pastoring singles (1:30) – How do you simultaneously affirm marriage while not undermining God’s distinct purposes for singles? (3:20) – When do you encourage someone to remain single? How do you encourage them to make the most of their singleness? (8:10) – How can singles be integrated into a congregation? (12:15) – What about single elders/pastors? (14:00) – For the single who feels left out, what should a church do? (15:55) – What do you do when you inherit a church with a robust singles program? (18:10) – Why “your sex life is your identity” is a satanic lie. (20:45)
March 14, 2017
We live in politically contentious times. Jonathan Leeman sat down with Mark Dever to chat about how to pastor people faithfully amidst political disagreement. SHOW NOTES: – March us through how you pastored through the most contentious election in recent memory. (0:40) – How preaching builds unity amidst political disagreement. (6:00) – On the importance of upholding Christian liberty amidst personal, political disagreement (7:45) – How can we discern “straight-line” issues from “jagged-line” issues? How do we know when to stay silent in order not to improperly bind consciences? (13:00) – Can we sin by not addressing injustice when we should? (17:30) – Do you address politically contentious members directly? (22:00) – Lightning round of questions on the topic. (22:45)
March 7, 2017
If you’re a pastor, you’re used to being criticized—both fairly and unfairly. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan sits down with Mark to chat about receiving criticism well, the dangers of avoiding criticism altogether, and how to build into a church structures that cultivate a culture of giving and receiving godly criticism. SHOW NOTES: – What do you do when you’re criticized after church when you just preached your guts out? (1:15) – How do you prepare yourself to hear what you know you need to hear, even if it’s something that your flesh will grate against? (4:40) – Why not defending yourself amidst criticism is sometimes a good idea. (5:50) – True or false: the more you fear God and the less you fear man, the better you will hear criticism. (9:40) – What about the wisdom in using others—wife, other elders, etc.—to process current criticisms? (11:15) – Do you have any words for the pastors who have cloistered themselves so that they never hear criticism? (12:35) – What structures have you put in place to cultivate a culture of healthy criticism and encouragement? (14:40) – Any encouragement for pastor who’s beaten up from consistent criticism? (16:00)
February 28, 2017
If a preacher is doing his job well, then he's not only explaining what a text means, but also applying that meaning to the lives of his hearers. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to talk about the difficult task of sermon application.
February 21, 2017
A mere ten years ago, social media didn’t exist. Now it’s everywhere. Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to chat about the difficulties of pastoring in the age of social media. SHOW NOTES: – What are some of the dangers you see intrinsic to social media? (2:45) – How social media can tempt Christians to add to the gospel (4:30). – The necessity of humility in our opinions and our discourse (5:30). – How Christians can become good self-editors? 12 diagnostic questions to continually ask ourselves. (8:00)
February 14, 2017
In the inaugural episode of our new podcast Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to talk about seeing the gospel grow in your city, not just your church. SHOW NOTES: – What do you do when the revival you’ve been praying for breaks out . . . at the church down the street? (1:08) – Is it always carnal to desire your own church to grow? (3:02) – What are some of the signs of a wrongful “turfiness” that pastors should watch out for in their own hearts and ministries? (4:38) – Why do you pray for other churches by name in CHBC’s services? (6:25) – Explain how you can structure a staff and budget to help other churches. (8:35) – What role might ministerial fellowships play in local gospel growth? (12:24) – Are multi-site and multi-service churches necessarily “turfy”? (14:30) – What about church planting and revitalizing? (18:49) – Any last lessons for promoting gospel growth locally? (24:30)
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