October 14, 2019
Listening can make you wonder. If you've ever wondered about the songs: Dirt, Guyute, Undermind or Light, then listen to this lyrics-analysis podcast and perhaps pieces will fall into place for you. But keep wondering anyway.
September 30, 2019
The lyrics for 3 popular Phish songs are examined lovingly by the Under the Scales forensic team. The Wedge, Crowd Control and No Men in No Mans Land are all on the table.
September 9, 2019
From 2011 to 2014 there was an amazing Phish podcast called Analyze Phish hosted by Scott Aukerman and Harris Wittels. Once it ended, Tom Marshall, saw an opportunity for another Phish podcast and launched Under the Scales in 2016. In this episode, Tom interviews one of the Analyze Phish hosts, Scott Aukerman.
August 29, 2019
Under the Scales is proud to preview a full episode from Osiris' newest podcast, The Tapes Archive. This one features an interview with Trey Anastasio from 1993 -- a key moment in Phish's growth and transition to a national act. Subscribe here: Check out: Produced and engineered by:
July 22, 2019
Phish's charitable arm, the Waterwheel Foundation, is discussed by the founders.
June 17, 2019
Tom speaks with Brando Rich of Platinum tickets, hoarding, scalping and more are discussed, and how new technology is helping to get face-value tickets into fan’s hands.
May 27, 2019
The lyrics for 5 popular Phish songs are examined lovingly by the Under the Scales forensic team. Scents & Subtle Sounds, Walls of the Cave, Joy, Steam and Pebbles & Marbles are all on the table.
April 28, 2019
In this episode, Tom dives into the meaning of five popular Phish songs, chosen by co-hosts Tebo Thomas and RJ Bee: Wading in the Velvet Sea, Blaze On, Horn, Bug and Life Boy.
March 25, 2019
Kevin Statesir, Trey’s brother-in-law and founder of the Burlington Vermont music venue Higher Ground, joins Tom in the studio to discuss Phish from a family perspective, and also how Higher Ground has become an integral piece in the Vermont music puzzle these days.
February 18, 2019
Part 2 of the Mike Gordon interview! Mike and Tom continue their conversation and delve more deeply into the artistic process with a backdrop of Mike's music from his amazing solo career.
February 11, 2019
Mike Gordon joins Tom for the Under the Scales Season 3 opener. This is Part 1 of 2.
December 17, 2018
SEASON 2 of UTS ends with Scott Marks and Tom ranking the best New Years shows in the Phish 3.0 era.
November 26, 2018
On Halloween 2018 in Las Vegas, Phish's costume entailed becoming a Scandinavian dance-pop band from the 80's. How? Why? I talk to my pals to sort it all out.
October 29, 2018
Amazing host of the sensational HQ Trivia app, Scott Rogowsky, joins Tom and co-host RJ Bee for a spirited discussion and then a Phish trivia quiz!
September 10, 2018
Jam Cruise Director, Loveboat Hostess, Tanuary, Mother Duck…call her what you will, Annabel Lukins will surprise you with her accomplishments, her love of music, and the depth of her abilities to thrive in the music business and be (actual) friends with everyone she encounters.
August 27, 2018
JRAD guitarist, and Wolf, RANA, Amfibian, F-Hole, Particle and many many others, renaissance man guitarist Scott Metzger talks with Tom and friend Andrew Southern about his musical journey and all those bands!
July 30, 2018
Tom and RJ interview Brad Serling, founder of, the company that powers LivePhish and gets webcasts into your home.
July 2, 2018
Tom is joined by Jay Curley of Ben & Jerry's, the ice cream company, to discuss their multi-year relationship with Phish.
June 25, 2018
Brad Sands, Phish's longtime road manager - from 1991 to 2004 - talks to Tom and Tebo about the good old days, and has some great behind the scenes stories.
June 11, 2018
Osiris co-founder RJ Bee interviews me on Under the Scales for the 20th anniversary of Phish's album Story of the Ghost. We call a special guest to answer some additional questions.
May 28, 2018
I interview Felicia D’Ambrosio, one of the partners of Federal Donuts who supplied all the donuts for Phish’s Baker’s Dozen shows July and August 2017. We learn about stairwells, Neil Young, and that holes are a flavor.
May 21, 2018
I wander around the Dicks lot during the Phish shows in September 2017 in Denver. I meet and talk to a lot of people including Bethany Barker of Phish Chicks and Paige Clem of the Phellowship. Music, art, glassware, sandwiches, nitrous, artificial legs, tributes to lost fans and guidance aplenty.
February 26, 2018
Jason Pinsky is Tom's guest in the Under the Scales Season 2 opener. Jason is a former Phish employee, music fan, food fan and cannabis connoisseur.
October 23, 2017
For our Season-ending episode I am joined by the founder of -- Andy Gadiel ushered Phish and fans into the internet age with one of the very first band websites on the World Wide Web.
October 9, 2017
Andy Bernstein, founder of HeadCount, talks to Tom about multiple Phish-related projects.
September 18, 2017
Scott Herman and Tebo inflict severe Q&A upon Tom. Scott, for those unaware, has 18 or more Phish songwriting credits to his name. Also: the REAL \*Helping Friendly Book\* is revealed.
September 4, 2017
Big Phil and Medium Phil, both longtime Phish friends and fans, stop by to ask Tom questions...only, they forgot the questions.
August 21, 2017
Eli Tishberg tells us about directing the video feed that allows us to see Phish live in our living rooms in unparalleled quality.
August 14, 2017
Jazz Is Phish drummer Adam Chase illuminates the intricate workings of one of the most creative Phish cover bands.
August 7, 2017
in the studio with Jim Pollock and David Welker, the two cornerstones of the Phish poster phenomenon.
July 17, 2017
Petrea Davis and Kelly Baines swim Under the Scales to inflict another Q&A upon Tom.
July 10, 2017
Tom puts the songwriting and recording process under the microscope with two co-writers and two new songs.
July 3, 2017
Kelly Morris, creator of the captivating video accompaniment to the Phish song 'More', tells us what MORE she has in store!
June 19, 2017
Yossarian Kelly, early friend of the Dead, early phan, early bird when it comes to growing cannabis legally, calls UTS from Washington to check in.
June 12, 2017
Garrett Phillips -- also known as PlusSizeModel on PhantasyTour -- describes, among other things, how to pack for a 35 month prison vacation.
June 5, 2017
GroupMe founder and Phish super-fan Steve Martocci talks about collaboration and inspiration on a beautiful day in New York City.
May 15, 2017
Andrea is an amazing Phish photographer who shares secrets on how her hobby took off! She also captures moments and the feeling we forgot.
May 8, 2017
A new type of episode, in which Tom answers your questions, or at least makes an attempt...
May 1, 2017
Holly Bowling continues entrancing us with her musical powers...and disassembles my piano!
April 17, 2017
Holly Bowling stops by the studio to educate us musically -- my piano has never sounded better!
April 10, 2017
The second half of the Benjy Eisen interview in which we cover Phish and Reed Mathis...oh, and life and lyrics.
April 3, 2017
Benjy Eisen talks about the wonderful book, Deal, he co-wrote with Bill Kreutzmann of the Grateful Dead
March 20, 2017
Phan Art Pete (Mason) created a vibrant art enterprise which has grown beyond the Phish community where it started. And that's just ONE thing he's doing...
March 13, 2017
I speak with Phillip Zerbo, co-editor for the incredible Phish Companion Volume 3. Can 30 years fit into 900 pages?
March 6, 2017
Mike Greenhaus gives us an amazing perspective on how Relix magazine has been involved in and crucial to the jam scene since its inception.
February 20, 2017
RJ and I talk to Andy Greenberg, guitarist for Phish cover-band Runaway Gin.
February 13, 2017
Trey Anastasio explains the magic of Paul Languedoc's guitars to me and Dan Kanter.
February 6, 2017
Trey Anastasio shares years of guitar insights with me and Dan Kanter.
January 16, 2017
Jake Huffman catches me up on the McLovins. Remember the YEM video from 2008 when they were 14 years old??
January 9, 2017
Jen Bernstein stops by to educate me about WEED. Yes, she does.
January 2, 2017
Tom Bazis is my guide into the infinite...his business is flotation and sensory deprivation and pure relaxation.
December 19, 2016
Steve Pollak, also known as THE DUDE OF LIFE, talks to me about the early days with Trey in Taft and brings us up to the present musically.
December 12, 2016
Ryan Stanley joins me in the studio to discuss his T-shirt business, Amfibian, a movie and other stuff.
December 5, 2016
Paul Glace, founder of, is featured. We discuss the site's origins and how it grew to the incredible Phish fan destination it is today.
November 21, 2016
I interview David Steinberg, long-time Phish fan and the band's unofficial statistician. He's an author and extreme long-distance touring expert. He also times shows...and has the scars to prove it.
November 14, 2016
Co-hosts RJ and Jonathan and I take a DEEP DIVE into Tapers. Tapers are a huge part of Phish's history...but what are they? Who are they? Let's find out. Take a deep breath and jump in with us.
November 7, 2016
Derek Gregory joins me in the studio to discuss his extensive experience with Phish...he likes it up close to the band. Real close. I try to figure out the hows and whys of "riding the rail" as it's called.
November 7, 2016
In 1997, Trey and I escaped for long weekends to write a lot of songs which eventually appeared on Phish albums and became part of Phish's live repertoire. This is the story of one of those weekends, and how it got off to a \*horrifying\* start. Trey listened to this and said "it's like the secret backstory for the song Twist" -- and it really is.
November 7, 2016
My producer, Mark Dowd, and I take a ride through Trey's and my old grade-school, and discuss some history and motivation behind the Under the Scales podcast.
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