077: Are forest schools any better for children than regular schools?
Published November 11, 2018
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    If you've been following the show for a while now, you'll know that my daughter and I LOVE to spend time outside.  I looked at the research on the benefits of outdoor play for young children, and in my interview with Dr. Scott Sampson on his book How to Raise a Wild Child, so I am already convinced of its benefits for young children.

    So doesn't it go without saying that these benefits will continue for older children, and that if we allowed school-aged children to spend more time outside then all kinds of improved learning outcomes would follow?

    When I started digging into the research I was shocked by what I found.  Studies employing poor-quality methodology abound.  I'm not sure a control group exists in the whole lot of them.  And "results" are measured in terms of how much students like the program, or how much their self-esteem has improved (as subjectively measured by a teacher's evaluation).

    One of the best papers I found on the topic was written by Dr. Mark Leather - it acknowledges the potential benefits of forest schools while removing the rose-tinted glasses to clearly see the limitations of the research base on this topic as well.  So invited Dr. Leather onto the show to explore what are forest schools, what may be their benefits, and whether he would send his child to one...


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