July 29, 2020
So. What the hell happened to us in 2020? For the finale of season 6, Gaby asks this very question to Stacey Vanek Smith, co-host of The Indicator from Planet Money. How does spending show the story of an era? What can the economy say about the times we’re living in? And what indicators give us hope for the future? Thank you for sticking with us through this tumultuous season -- from our initial theme to COVID-19’s impact to the rise in racial justice activism and protests. 2020 has been an unprecedented year and as such, so has season 6. This show has been a wild ride. See you soon for season 7, deadbeats!
July 22, 2020
Gaby speaks with Karin Diver, appointee of President Obama as the Special Assistant to the President for Native American Affairs. They discuss tribal economies, the impact of COVID-19 on businesses, how Native American nations have been handling the spread of the virus and the ways the federal government has failed the tribes during this pandemic and beyond. Content Warning: Discussion of racism
July 15, 2020
Why can’t we just cancel all student loan debt? The Department of Education could do it right now. But they don’t. Seth Frotman, the executive director of the Student Borrower Protection Center, comes on the show to talk about the 45 million Americans who get a student loan bill every month. Why won't the federal government just take this financial burden off its people? Plus, how the government has completely bungled helping those with student loans during a global pandemic. We absolutely can cancel all student loan debt. And we should.
July 8, 2020
Gaby speaks with economist William Darity. He breaks down why reparations for descendants of enslaved people absolutely needs to happen, how reparations would work in the U.S., how much money could begin to fix the generational wealth gap and who benefitted from the labor of enslaved people. Plus, addressing assumptions and racist fears about reparations and what would need to change politically for reparations to happen.
July 1, 2020
Gaby tackles her latest research obsession -- private prisons. Who is making a profit from locking people up? The Marshall Project’s Joe Neff joins the show to talk about the mistreatment of prisoners in the time of COVID-19, who makes money off federal, state and private prisons, the ways prisoners are nickeled and dimed for everything (from soap to slippers to shoes), and the ways we can better rehabilitate people who have committed crimes.     Read more about the criminal justice system at
June 24, 2020
Everyone is donating. But where should we donate and how do we know what impact our money is having? Gaby talks to Open Philanthropy's program officer for criminal justice reform, Chloe Cockburn. It's her job to figure out the best places to put your money if you want to help with criminal justice reform, ending bail, electing politicians and District Attorneys that share your progressive values, ending mass incarceration and tons of other worthwhile causes. Aside from donating money, we'll also discuss other ways to effectively get involved with activism at a local level.     Resources:   Chloe's Twitter Thread of Recommended Places To DonateA Criminal Justice Expert’s Guide To Donating Effectively Right Now
June 17, 2020
Gaby gathers listener emails, voicemails and questions about money during the COVID-19 pandemic. She invites financial therapist Amanda Clayman on to give advice about what to do about the stress of unemployment, loss of control, having more than your friends and family, and redirecting your long-term money plans now that the world is totally different. Clayman, host of Financial Therapy with Amanda Clayman, and Gaby respond to your voicemails and emails and try to provide context for the structural, systemic and emotional changes that need to happen in the U.S.
June 10, 2020
Can we decide what our cities spend money on? Should we defund the police? Gaby is joined by Lexis-Olivier Ray, a black journalist covering protests against police brutality in Los Angeles. He describes his most recent work, reporting on homelessness and the housing crisis’ tie to crime rates, funding and police brutality. Gaby and Lexis-Olivier also break down the People’s Budget LA, which seeks to defund the LAPD and redirect funds towards housing, parks, libraries, crisis management, mental health services and other proactive rather than reactive community safety measures.
June 3, 2020
We’ve talked about buying a better you. But how are we being sold our health and wellness during “these trying times?” Gaby talks to linguist and author Amanda Montell about the capitalistic language shifting to sell people wellness and “immunity-boosting” products of varying levels of harm during the coronavirus pandemic. What scams should we be looking out for? Is it possible to buy total safety from COVID-19? Why are we so desperate to believe the language of advertising? And, like in every episode of this season, we ask: Are we all just trying to buy control?
May 27, 2020
Can you buy better mental health? Gaby talks to psychiatrist Dr. Imani Walker, who works primarily with homeless patients and those who’ve been convicted of crimes, about mental illness in the time of COVID-19. What is it like to see patients now? What should mental health services cost when so many more people are suffering from depression, anxiety and PTSD? And what are we realizing as a country are the basic necessities for at-risk populations to thrive today? Especially now that those same problems are affecting the wealthy and privileged. Content Warning: Discussion of mental health and domestic violence
May 20, 2020
Is it possible to buy perfect skin? And now, under quarantine, are we spending more on skin care products just to trick ourselves into an illusion of control? How has being forced to do beauty regimens at home changed how people are spending their money? Gaby talks to Natch Beaut podcaster and beauty expert Jackie Michele Johnson about aligning your self-care budget with your ethics, if it’s possible to buy “perfect” skin and how during a very scary and uncertain time, something as simple as skin care can provide ritual, control and comfort.    Listen to the Natch Beaut podcast
May 13, 2020
Call your Congressperson. Seriously. Gaby wants to learn more about what the U.S. government is doing for us during the COVID-19 pandemic, so she calls up California Congressman Rep. Mark Takano on Zoom. They discuss how the community comes together to fill in the gaps in social safety nets, potential upcoming legislation for those suffering financially and how to show you give a damn during a worldwide economic crisis. (Content Warning: Suicide Mention)
May 6, 2020
Gaby interviews reporter Olga Khazan, who wrote an article for The Atlantic about the increasingly visible class divide during the COVID-19 pandemic. What does it mean to be able to buy safety and when you do, who else are you putting at risk? As Khazan wrote, “the poor get socially close, so the rich can socially distance.” Plus, will the possible eventual revolution result in fairer wages and better social safety nets, as it has at other points in history? Or will it just allow middle-aged white women to get haircuts? Gaby is… cautiously optimistic.
April 29, 2020
Can good health be bought? We flashback to when Coronavirus cases were newly emerging in the states. Gaby revisits an interview she did with public health expert Dr. Abdul El-Sayed about what compels us to invest in wellness trends and how much it actually costs to be healthy. (Spoiler alert: it’s prohibitive as hell.) And later, how are health scams working in the midst of COVID-19?
April 22, 2020
Gaby reflects on the meaning of success in today’s uncertain world. We flash back to our early plans for the season, including an interview with associate philosophy professor Jennifer Morton. What does it mean to be successful? What are we willing to sacrifice? After the interview, Gaby shares how her perspective on money has changed since so many lives were upended by the Coronavirus pandemic.
April 13, 2020
What is life right now? So many of us are overwhelmed and stressed about a future that’s feeling more and more uncertain. In season 6 of Bad with Money, Gaby Dunn explores how during a crisis, we get stuck in cycles of trying to buy our way into some semblance of personal control. But as it turns out, being safe, healthy, generous, clean, attractive and happy is really freakin’ expensive -- especially when you have no idea what’s about to happen next in the world. Through interviews before and after the global pandemic and economic crisis, Gaby tries to make sense of the “bettering” power of money when we are at our most isolated, anxious and emotionally vulnerable.
April 13, 2020
What is life right now? So many of us are overwhelmed and stressed about a future that’s feeling more and more uncertain. In season 6 of Bad with Money, Gaby Dunn explores how during a crisis, we get stuck in cycles of trying to buy our way into some semblance of personal control. But as it turns out, being safe, healthy, generous, clean, attractive and happy is really freakin’ expensive -- especially when you have no idea what’s about to happen next in the world. Through interviews before and after the global pandemic and economic crisis, Gaby tries to make sense of the “bettering” power of money when we are at our most isolated, anxious and emotionally vulnerable.
February 26, 2020
Gaby makes a final decision. Is it time to uproot her life and build a new one outside the U.S.? But wait! There's one more destination we want to explore as we wrap season 5. How expensive would it be to live... ON THE MOON? First, Gaby talks to scientist and aerospace engineer Kathleen Howell, a total badass who works with NASA, about the achievements and restrictions of living, working and colonizing the moon and in the space between the Earth and the moon. Then, she speaks with The Verge’s senior science reporter Loren Grush about space capitalism. Finally, Gaby nerds out with friend and sci-fi writer Garrick Bernard about Star Trek’s lack of currency and a future where knowledge replaces money. This is the final frontier for Bad With Money season 5. Stick around until the end of the episode for news about season 6!
February 19, 2020
After YEARS of only getting snippets of listeners’ stories on social media, Gaby finally calls up a few members of her Bad with Money family. Is it worth saving your money to move abroad? How much would you sacrifice to leave the U.S.? We hear experiences from three listeners: Madeline Christensen from Texas, Madison Walsh from Kansas and Gabriela Marrero from Pennsylvania.    Madeline has her mind set on fleeing to Europe, Madison refuses to settle anywhere, bouncing from country to country and Gabriela moved abroad, but returned to America with a powerful sense that she needed to be present to help change her country for the better. Bad with Money family… Let's chat! Gaby needs your advice!
February 12, 2020
Gaby contemplates what it’s like to live in Paris, a place most tourists would call “romantic as heck.” Why is Paris such a hub for love and how much would it cost for Gaby to take her partner Mal Blum there on a date? First, Gaby talks to Chris O’Brien, a journalist living in France, who happens to share a name with her ex-boyfriend. (Yikes!) And then she lays out a date night plan for her beloved Mal. Would they like to visit or even live with Gaby in France? Happy Valentine’s Day, deadbeats!
February 5, 2020
What’s it like to travel and live outside the U.S. when you're at high risk for harassment? Gaby talks with queer travel writer Meg Ten Eyck about what should you invest in for safety and what information you need to know before you move or even visit a new country as someone that is queer, gender non-conforming or another member of the LGBTQ community. Plus, find out why countries should be marketing to LGBTQ tourists. Then, we talk to Timothy Anderson, a black teacher from Tennessee, who moved to Japan and regularly finds himself sticking out like a sore thumb. What’s it like to live in a country where you’re one of very few black people? CONTENT WARNINGS: homophobia, racism and sexism
January 29, 2020
Gaby plots her escape plan by talking to Malte Zeeck, founder of InterNations and a German-born expert on expat communities, about the costs of moving abroad and how to find the right place for you. Then, she hears first-hand from Danielle Roberge, an American who moved to Spain and found that lower salaries were a fair trade off for better work-life balance and social safety nets. What are the biggest factors to consider before moving abroad? How much might it cost and what steps do you need to take? Let’s find out!
January 22, 2020
Gaby explores the lack of money taboos in Chinese culture with TV writer Jessica Gao. Gao, who was born in China, explains the ways her mother shares every last detail of how much Jessica is making. Why are people so open about how much things cost, how much they’re earning and how much they LOVE money in Chinese culture? Then, Gaby welcomes back Andrew Ti, friend of the podcast and "Yo! Is This Racist?" co-host, to talk about the differences between Chinese and Chinese-American wealth displays. Happy Chinese New Year, everyone! Here, have a red envelope of cash!
January 15, 2020
What if the answer isn’t choosing where to live, but rather choosing to live nowhere? Gaby speaks to Rachel Wilson and Natalie Frizza, two members of Australia’s nomad community -- people who have chosen to live and raise kids in converted campers, vans and buses. Gaby explores what that daily life looks like, the cost of living and who tends to be able to experience that lifestyle. (Hint: White people, mostly.) Then, she talks to Melody Warnick, author of This Is Where You Belong: Finding Home Wherever You Are about the concept of “home.” Trigger Warning: Brief misophonia around 31 minutes in. (Sorry! It’s short!)   Rachel Wilson - Natalie Frizza -
January 8, 2020
Gaby invites a Tibetan Buddhist monk to be on his very first podcast! Gyaltsen Chopel discusses how Buddhism functions to deprioritize money altogether -- and his work as a caretaker who handles day-to-day expenses and donations made to a Buddhist temple in Los Angeles. It’s not the conversation you’d expect from a monk! Then, Gaby calls India to speak to assistant professor of Hindu Studies, Dheepa Sundaram, about how Hindu culture views community, money, technology and wealth.
January 1, 2020
In the Philippines, kids jump at midnight to get taller. In Romania, you should pay off all your debt to ensure good fortune in the New Year. Join Gaby as she digs into New Year’s Eve superstitions -- and money superstitions -- with Philippines based writer Katrina Escalona and Romanian studies lecturer Julieta Paulesc. Come on, it can’t hurt to be a little superstitious in 2020! We need all the luck we can get!
December 25, 2019
Did you get money as a gift this year? Bet you're not alone. In this episode, Gaby explores the deeper cultural significance behind gifting money during celebrations. First, she calls up her dad, Marc Dunn, to talk through some of their own family traditions. Like, why do the Jews give money in multiples of 18? Then, she speaks with Kole Ade Odutola, a Nigerian-born professor at the University of Florida, about the economy of affection, spraying money on a bride and groom during weddings and how to understand your own value when leaving your home country.
December 18, 2019
Gaby explores work-life balance in The Netherlands, which has some of the world's shortest work hours, and in South Korea, which has some of the longest.    First, she speaks with expat Jovi Paredes about the emphasis on vacation and mental health resources in The Netherlands. Then she talks with LA Times Seoul correspondent Victoria Kim about the persistant boss-employee hierarchy and emphasis on constant work in South Korea.     This episode is all about work, work, work, work, work, work.
December 11, 2019
As the grandchild of a Holocaust survivor, Gaby explores her extremely complicated feelings about Germany. In order to take a modern look the country and consider whether she could live there today, she speaks to Berlin-based journalist Jill Petzinger about the German preference for paying in cash and distaste for debt. Then she chats with American expat Dana Newman about coming to terms with Germany’s dark past. And finally, Gaby listens to an old conversation with her late grandmother about her experiences in Nazi-occupied Europe.   TW: anti-semitism, Holocaust and allusion to sexual assault   This episode is sponsored by State Farm ( and Worthy (
December 4, 2019
Gaby explores the places that always top the “Happiest Countries on Earth” lists. First, she chats with writer and friend Kate Jones, a queer Vietnamese comedian who lives in Switzerland about the country’s pros (high salaries, social safety nets, beautiful scenery) and cons (racism, homophobia). Then, Gaby calls up Helsinki Bloomberg News Bureau Chief Kati Pohjanpalo to talk about money and modesty in Finland, the Finnish perception of America and why Finland is the happiest country on Earth.   This episode is sponsored by State Farm ( and Worthy (
November 27, 2019
Before Gaby searches abroad for a new place to live, she first wants to understand the whys of currency. Specifically, the whys of an American coin she has a real problem with: The penny. Gaby deviates from her “no straight cis white men guests” rule to talk about hating the penny with New York Times reporter Binyamin Appelbaum. Then, she gets into the general inaccessibility of American money with blind filmmaker James Rath. When it comes to cost and to disability, U.S. dollars and coins need a serious update.   This episode is sponsored by State Farm ( and Worthy (
November 20, 2019
We’re back and this time, Bad With Money is going international! In season 5, we're breaking down what money means around the world! Meanwhile, Gaby seriously considers whether she wants to build a new life abroad. Would she be happier and less financially stressed living in another country? In this premiere episode, we dig into the meaning of money in the U.S. with sociologist Dr. Viviana Zelizer and some of Gaby's American friends. Then, we hear voicemails from international listeners and chat with a fan from the U.K. about her perceptions of America. Do all Americans just want to be rich?!   This episode is sponsored by Policygenius (
November 13, 2019
Gaby is back! Season 5 of Bad with Money returns November 20.    This time, we're looking at what money means in America and around the world. We'll get the real scoop from foreign correspondents and ordinary folks who've started their lives over in other countries.    Anyone else ready to have their mind blown?
July 31, 2019
For the finale of Season 4, Gaby gets personal and explores the big changes of the last 3 years with help from her comedy partner Allison Raskin, her sister Cheyanne Dunn, her former producer Sam Dingman, and her parents Marc and Caryn. She gets their honest assessment of how she's doing...unpacks all sorts of family drama... and talks about what she'd do if she got really rich.   This episode is sponsored by StitchFix and Reset Retirement.
July 24, 2019
Gaby talks to education superstar Zakiya Smith Ellis, a millennial who's also the Secretary of Higher Education for New Jersey. They talk about how college debt has gotten so out of hand...making community college free... the tricky things universities do to make students feel like they're getting a "deal" on tuition... and the freedom of giving up on a "dream school".
July 17, 2019
Gaby talks generational wealth and money management with Ramona Ortega, the founder of online money management tool "My Money My Future/ Mi Dinero Mi Futuro". They discuss specific money concerns of Latinx people, the difference between income and wealth, and facing money fears and taking action.  This episode is sponsored by ZipRecruiter and Thirdlove.
July 10, 2019
Why aren't there any women on American paper money? Gaby talks to Barbara Ortiz Howard, the cofounder of the "Women on 20s" campaign, that successfully (or so we thought) lobbied the Treasury to replace slave trader Andrew Jackson with freedom fighter Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill. They discuss Tubman's amazing life, the history of American currency, and the DIY options for getting rid of Jackson.   This episode is brought to you by History the Shequel on Stitcher Premium.
July 3, 2019
Gaby talks to journalist Santi Elijah Holley about his terrifying article in Topic Magazine, "The Hidden History of Holocaust Money." They discuss the little-known currency produced by the Nazi party for Jewish ghettos and death camps during WWII, how history echoes in the present day, and what it means to commit to "Never Again".  This episode is sponsored by Podswag.
June 26, 2019
Could you get by in the USA on $2 a day? Millions of people in the US are living that reality today. Gaby talks with Princeton University poverty researcher Kathryn Edin, co-author of $2 a Day: The Art of Living on Virtually Nothing in America. They discuss the end of cash welfare, debunking poverty myths, and what people are doing to survive. This episode is sponsored by  Care/Of. For 25% off your first Care/of order, go to and enter promo code MONEY
June 19, 2019
Gaby talks to founder Chanel Reynolds about the two things that scare people the most - money and death.  Chanel was widowed in 2009 and was totally unprepared for what came next. She talks to Gaby about planning for the unexpected, and why keeping your head in the sand isn't the best approach.  Chanel's new book is "What Matters Most: The Get Your Shit Together Guide to Wills, Money, Insurance and Life's What-ifs". This episode is sponsored by Honeybook (promo MONEY) for 50% off ThirdLove and Experian Boost
June 12, 2019
This week Gaby explores the sickly U.S. health care system - the U.S., one of the only developed countries on the planet where you can easily go bankrupt from medical expenses! Democratic candidates for president are saying that it shouldn't be this way. Gaby talks to Kaiser Health News reporter Shefali Luthra to get the lowdown on the various proposals for universal health coverage - including Bernie Sanders' Medicare for All- and how they could transform not just the doctors and hospitals, but the economy overall. This episode is sponsored by ZipRecruiter.
June 5, 2019
Joy Shan of The California Sunday Magazine talks to Gaby about her reporting on Generation Z, one year after the oldest Gen Z's entered the workforce. Joy is a young millennial, but found that there really are differences between her and Gen Z when it comes to work. The job landscape is shifting - part-time work is on the rise, well-paying entry-level jobs are on the decline, and the gig economy is everywhere. They discuss the trauma of the Great Recession in childhood, new college programs teaching Gen Z'ers how to gig and still make a living, and how generations are not monoliths. Read Joy's story here:
May 29, 2019
Gaby wades into the scary waters of investing with the help of the "Broke Millennial" - aka Erin Lowry. She talks about how to take the first step with investing, breaks down some of the tricky terminology, explores how to stick to your principles when investing your money, and explains why language really matters when it comes to investing... not SAVING... for retirement. Her new book is called "Broke Millennial Takes On Investing: A Beginner's Guide to Leveling Up Your Money." This episode is sponsored by Honeybook - (promo code MONEY), Experian Boost ( and VitaCup
May 22, 2019
Gaby brings on a US Congressman to try and bridge the gap between Congresspeople and The People. Representative Mark Takano is a Democrat from Southern California and he talks about his report on the skyrocketing cost of rent, how Wall Street firms are getting rich by becoming landlords of single family homes, some of the ways that federal laws could be helping with housing costs and wage stagnation, and how the Trump administration is thwarting those efforts.  This episode is sponsored by  - use code BWM for 15% off - new customers get 15% off Instacart - download the app or use and get $10 off your first order with promo code BADWITHMONEY
May 15, 2019
Vicki Robin is an OG financial guru and Gaby turns to her for financial and spiritual advice this week. How do you translate your life energy into money? How is your community a part of your financial wealth? Vicki's book "Your Money or Your Life" was a huge bestseller in the early 1990s, and was just revised and re-released in 2018. Vicki has been financially independent since the 1970s and shares her wisdom about FIRE (Financial Independence Retire Early), actual fire (learn to build one!) and how your spending habits are connected to higher consciousness. Groovy! This episode is sponsored by: ZipRecruiter - listeners can try it for free at TomboyX - listeners get 15% off with the code BWM
May 8, 2019
Why is it so easy to get into debt, and so hard to get out? Gaby talks to Marcus Garrett and Rich Jones, hosts of the podcast Paychecks and Balances, about their experiences with both making money AND getting out of debt. Marcus tells the story of a $26,000 weekend spending spree that took him seven years to pay off, and they both talk about what it means to be some of the only black men in the financial guru game. They're on twitter and Instagram @PayBalances  This episode is sponsored by: HoneyBook - Go to and use promo code MONEY for 50% off your first year. Vitacup - Visit to learn more and save 20% off your order.
May 1, 2019
Gaby fangirls hard for a sociology professor in this episode all about the lives of the The One Percent. Professor Rachel Sherman teaches at the New School for Social Research and talks all about her book "Uneasy Street: The Anxieties of Affluence," based on dozens of interviews with some of the wealthiest people in New York. (Rachel adapted her book into a 2017 New York Times article called "What the Rich Won't Tell You that blew Gaby's mind.) This episode is sponsored by  Instacart: (free delivery on your first order with code BADWITHMONEY) Experian Boost   ThirdLove (for 15% off your first order visit
April 24, 2019
Gaby faces off with fellow queer money lady Suze Orman, to learn about how Suze got her start and eventually became one of the most successful financial gurus of our time. They talk about the basics of saving, about financial abuse, and about the sportfishing Suze enjoys... on her own private island. This episode is sponsored by The National Network of Abortion Funds (, VitaCup ( and the DoorDash app (promo code BADWITHMONEY).  Additional music courtesy of
April 19, 2019
Bad with Money Season 4 is almost back and it’s better than ever! We’re taking a deep dive into some big issues, with awesome guests including Suze Orman, Marcus Garrett and Rich Jones, Broke Millennial Erin Lowry, and so many more smart folks (and the occasional deadbeat!) Mark your calendars with a big red pen, Bad With Money will be back on Wednesday, April 24th!
December 27, 2018
Bad With Money returns for season 4 in 2019. In the meantime, get the Bad With Money book on Jan 1 and come see the Bad With Money live shows in January. In this teaser, Gaby talks to legendary queer finance guru Suze Orman. She is freaking out.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
July 18, 2018
Gaby gets behind the snowflake, participation trophy bullshit and gets real about this generation. Kimberly Quick, senior policy associate at The Century Foundation breaks down the false labels that millennials get. You can read her piece about this topic here. Next, we get into the economic realities that the millennial generation faces today with Michael Hobbes, a reporter at Huffington Post. You can read his piece, Generation Screwed. And finally, writer and editor Nona Willis-Aronowitz has decided that after years of covering millennials for various news outlets, she's no longer using the term. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
July 11, 2018
Gaby talks to a compulsive buyer to understand the real motivations for over-shopping. April Benson, one of the leading psychologists who helps compulsive buyers, introduces us to the emotional and psychological reasons for shopping. And to get a personal look at it, Avis Cardella, author of "Spent: Memoirs of a Shopping Addict," talks about her own experience and motivation for compulsive buying. Finally, because our culture seems so addicted to shopping, Lan Nguyen Chaplin gives us some insight into where that comes from: spoiler alert, we learn it as children. TW: One of the guests in this episode refers to "the two genders." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
July 4, 2018
Gaby gets a primer on small dollar donors, and some practical advice for running for office. We hear a lot of conflicting information when it comes to the giant gobs of money that pay for politicians to campaign. So what's actually true? Josefa Velasquez, who reports on money and politics for Sludge explains what's going on with money and campaigns this year. Rachel Shorey, from the New York Times takes a closer look at the big spenders in politics. And finally, Amanda Litman, co-founder of Run For Something is helping young progressives (yes, even people without billions of dollars to spend on their own campaigns) get into office. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
June 27, 2018
Gaby takes a look at the stories we tell about poverty. Tanvi Misra, a writer at CityLab sets up the stark statistics that make up our economic mobility reality. Alana Semuels, a staff writer at The Atlantic takes a look at how those statistics play out in the South. Alissa Quart, executive editor of the Economic Hardship Reporting Project, and author of "Squeezed: Why Our Families Can't Afford America" breaks down the myth of the middle class. And finally, Nisha Patel, who served as the executive director of the U.S. Partnership on Mobility from Poverty gives us a glimpse at how to change the narrative. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
June 20, 2018
Gaby gets an existential perspective of cryptocurrency. Angela Walch, associate professor at St. Mary's University School of Law gives us a healthy dose of skepticism about cryptocurrency's potential to save the world. Laura Shin, cryptocurrency journalist and host of the podcasts Unchained and Unconfirmed, gives us a snapshot of how inclusive the industry is today. And Tavonia Evans, founder of Guap Coin has a vision for a future where cryptocurrencies could benefit communities of color. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
June 13, 2018
Maybe you don't consider how your meal is contributing to oppression. But at Bad With Money, we're here to tell you, it might be! To learn more, we turned to some incredible guests: Malik Yakini is the executive director of the Detroit Black Community Food Security Network, which aims to promote food sovereignty for communities of color in Detroit. Amani Olugbala is both an alumna and now facilitator of the Black and Latinx Farmers Immersion Program at Soul Fire Farm in Upstate New York. And in New York City, Onika Abraham runs Farm School NYC, which educates people interested in urban farming. And all three of them are using their positions to promote social and racial justice, to bring about change in the food system. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
June 6, 2018
States across the U.S. are debating marijuana legalization, but thus far, the rollout of this has been confusing to say the least. So, to dig into that further, we have German Lopez, a senior reporter at Vox help us wade through. Next, Amanda Chicago Lewis a journalist who covers marijuana digs into plant patents and who's benefitting from legalization. And finally, Nina Parks and Sunshine Lencho, founders of Supernova Women, who are working to make sure women of color aren't left out of the conversation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
May 30, 2018
This week, Gaby finds a financial literacy unicorn. Nan Morrison actually learned a lot about money from her parents, which is a luxury a lot of us don't have. Luckily, she's working to make financial literacy education better, as CEO and president of the Council for Economic Education. Next up, it's Cristen Conger and Caroline Ervin, hosts of Unladylike, a podcast about what happens when break the rules. We tasked them with digging up some history and sociology around the ways gender and sexism works its way into our financial lives. And Herman Brodie, a behavioral economist looks at why it's so hard to trust the people who handle our money. And finally, one of this show's producers, Lindsey Kratochwill shares a little bit about her own financial education, and how it couldn't prepare her for what happened once she became an adult. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
May 23, 2018
Gaby starts out by second-guessing some of her recent Amazon Prime purchases - and then starts to question a whole lot more. This week, we investigate Amazon's chokehold on the American consumer experience, and whether we ought to be fighting harder to break free from its clutches. Featuring Stacy Mitchell, Lina Khan, Jessica Bruder, and Nicole Aschoff.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
May 16, 2018
Gaby takes her knowledge of what a stock is, and takes that a step further to learn how to get one. Buzzfeed breaking news reporter Amber Jamieson noticed her friends getting rich from stocks, so she decided to try her hand at it, and shares what she learns in a newsletter called Better Have My Money. But before we go wild, Julie Matthaei, an economics professor at Wellesley, gives us a capitalism reality check. And finally, to make sure we're buying the right stocks, and investing according to our values, Morgan Simon, author of the book "Real Impact," has some helpful ways to stay on track. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
May 9, 2018
Gaby revisits her roots, and goes deep on how climate change affects inequality in Florida. Jessica Moulite, a social media reporter and producer for Fusion explains how climate gentrification is affecting neighborhoods in Miami. Caroline Lewis, who is the founder of the CLEO Institute helps us understand why this has such a compounding effect. And finally, Tamma Carleton, a PhD candidate who's part of the Climate Impact Lab, broadens the scope, and has some fascinating data about how a warming world affects the workforce, and how people just general interact with each other. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
May 2, 2018
Gaby learns what the country might look like if we weren't constantly worried about making enough money. Our trusty teachers for this episode include: Lauren Smiley, a journalist who's covered Silicon Valley's feelings toward a universal basic income. Peter Frase, editor at Jacobin magazine, who gives us a harsh truth of tech bros' UBI support. Mia Birdsong, who tells us an about her research in communities that might benefit from a UBI. And finally, this is it guys: a presidential candidate. Andrew Yang explains why his platform is focused on giving everyone money. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
April 25, 2018
Gaby takes the pulse of our health care system, and the prognosis is grim. To help understand it all, we have Elisabeth Rosenthal, editor-in-chief of Kaiser Health News, and author of "An American Sickness: How Healthcare became Big Business and How You Can Take it Back." Then we hear from Maly Ly, chief marketing officer at YouCaring, about how crowdfunding sites have risen to the challenge of fixing this broken system. And... don't hold your breath. Lauren Berliner, assistant professor at the University of Washington Bothell explains how crowdfunding really isn't an effective bandaid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
April 18, 2018
Gaby explores the maddening and bizarre history of the gender pay gap - and discovers a startlingly simple potential solution. Featuring Claire Suddath (Bloomberg Businessweek), Andrea Johnson (National Women's Law Center Senior Counsel for State Policy), and Dane Atkinson (CEO of SumAll).Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
April 11, 2018
We're back, baybeeeee! In Season Three of Bad With Money, we'll be going even harder against the American financial system than we did in Season Two (so, uh...hope you enjoyed that?). And for our season premiere, we're jumping right into the deep end, and talking about that thing too many white people are afraid to talk about: structural racism. Gaby's guests share some hard truths about the massive wealth and achievement gap faced by Black people in the US - and also offer some strikingly reasonable potential solutions. Featuring Tricia Rose, Prudence Carter, Sandy Darity, Lisa Sturtevant, and Stephanie Killian.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
April 4, 2018
We're back with a bonus episode, and some special Bad With Money news. In December, Gaby taped a live episode of Bad With Money at PodCon, featuring Dylan Marron. Dylan is the host of Conversations with People Who Hate Me, the voice of Carlos on Welcome to Night Vale, and just an all-around genius. So here's that conversation, just for you. It's like a gift!But wait: We have more gifts for you. Bad With Money is coming back with season three next Wednesday, April 11. Also, Bad With Money is a book! It's coming out later this year, and we'll make sure you have the link to pre-order it as soon as it's ready. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
September 5, 2017
Gaby is joined by Autostraddle's Riese Bernard, Alex Vega, and Laneia Jones for a live taping of the show from A-Camp.Gaby and Allison's book tour starts TODAY - do you have your tickets yet?! Go to IMMEDIATELY.**NOTE: Riese Bernard wrote to us after we posted this episode and wanted to emphasize that Autostraddle is NOT the only online publication with queer female editors. While there aren't many of us out there, Lydia Polgreen (HuffPo) and Ijeoma Oluo (The Establishment) are two other examples.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
August 16, 2017
Gaby sat down with actor and author Mara Wilson (Matilda, Mrs. Doubtfire, Welcome to Night Vale, Where Am I Now?) a few months ago for a wide-ranging conversation about success, commodification, class, and much, much more. We couldn't find a good spot for it in our first two seasons, so today we bring it to you as a bonus episode, along with an exciting announcement about Gaby's fall tour with Allison! Find more info on that at, and find Mara on Twitter at more about your ad choices. Visit
June 7, 2017
In the season two finale, Gaby talks to a range of people from the parts of American financial culture the system would rather not think about: queer, black, gender non-conforming thinkers like Alaina Monts, former sex workers like Chris Zeishchegg (aka Danny Wylde), trans financial advisers like Natalie Miller, and proud polyamorous writers like Carolyn Yates and Erin Judge.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
May 31, 2017
What happens if you find yourself in a situation where practical financial advice doesn't apply? This week, Gaby explores a variety of money quandaries without easy answers: long-term freelance work (with Manjula Martin), identity theft (with Kathryn McCauley), bipolar disorder (with Julie Fast), and substance abuse recovery (with Wade Berstler). Find Manjula's work at, and Julie's writing at Read more about Wade here: (TW: Discussion of bipolar disorder)Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
May 24, 2017
Gaby attempts to balance practical financial advice with her growing sense that the entire financial system is irreparably busted. Along the way, Sarah Wilson (, Bobbi Rebell (author of "How to be a Financial Grownup"), and Jean Chatzky (The Today Show) provide some actual practical advice you can use between freakouts about the dire state of the American financial system.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
May 17, 2017
Gaby's in a panic after reading Jane Mayer's Dark Money - and you should be, too. Jane joins Gaby for a deep-dive into the sinister inner workings of political messaging and the billionaires who fund it - with catastrophic results for poor and marginalized people all across the country. Jane is a staff writer for The New Yorker, where she first began the reporting on the influence of money in politics which led to the publication of Dark Money. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
May 10, 2017
Gaby explores the conundrum of saving for retirement. So much of the rhetoric around retirement has to do with rewarding yourself for a life of hard work - but what if you can barely afford to live your life in the present? Why should you bother fixating on the future? Featuring Bola Sokunbi (, Ken Raskin (Allison's dad), and Piggy and Kitty of more about your ad choices. Visit
May 3, 2017
Why does the idea of a businessman as president make so much sense to people? Especially when the actual president is a terrible businessman? Gaby explores the enduring myth of trickle-down prosperity - and learns some surprising facts about the religious tradition that seems to underpin a lot of Donald Trump's "morals." Featuring Helaine Olen (author of Pound Foolish), TIME correspondent Elizabeth Dias, and Talia Jane. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
April 26, 2017
Everybody loves babies - they're adorable, and if you're a comedian, they're the best audience you could ever hope for. But childbirth is also an emotional and financial minefield. Worse, American society has some warped ideas about who gets to make the choice about whether to have a baby in the first place. This week, Gaby wanders through the minefield with guests Anna Sale (Death, Sex & Money), Noel Leon (DC Abortion Fund), and Think Progress senior editor Tara Culp-Ressler. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
April 19, 2017
Gaby tries to figure out why on earth people a) spend a fortune on weddings, and b) want to get married in the first place. Featuring Jasmine Lilly (Avowed podcast), Anne Chertoff (Anne Chertoff Media), Rebecca Eisenberg (Upworthy), and the one and only Caryn Grainer, our first member of the Bad With Money Three-Timers Club.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
April 12, 2017
Gaby tries to understand the social philosophies behind her tax return. Joined by Taxgirl (TM) Kelly Phillips Erb (Forbes), Laura Mandanas (, and Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards, she explores the way our tax code reflects our cultural values, for better or (surprise!) for worse.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
April 5, 2017
Gaby finds out how credit cards actually work, about ten years too late. Laura Adams (Money Girl podcast), Mandi Woodruff (, Brown Ambition podcast), and Lillian Karabaic (Oh My Dollar podcast) explain the deceptively simple concepts behind these devious plastic rectangles, as well as the troubling economic psychologies they exploit.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
March 29, 2017
Why is it so hard for us to conceive of health care as a basic human right? Gaby talks to victims of the relentlessly profit-driven American healthcare system - a father whose wife died early in their marriage, resulting in a million dollars worth of bills (Eric Ashley); a non-smoking, marathon-running comedian who developed testicular cancer at age thirty (H. Alan Scott); and a YouTuber who was forced to ask her fans to fund a life-saving liver surgery (Akilah Hughes). Plus: Clio Chang on the philosophical underpinnings of our warped perspective. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
March 22, 2017
Season 2 of "Bad With Money" kicks off with a deep-dive on student loans, which leaves Gaby more convinced than ever that it's time to start a socialist revolt. Featuring Kelly Peeler (NextGenVest), Eugenia Kim (Angry Alumni Association), and Josh Radnor (How I Met Your Mother, Liberal Arts).TW: homophobic languageLearn more about your ad choices. Visit
February 1, 2017
Gaby closes out the season with reflections on her journey thus far, and checks in with her parents and listeners about how the show has affected their lives.For more information on Mark Baumer, visit more about your ad choices. Visit
January 25, 2017
Gaby is joined by Lisa Servon, author of The Unbanking of America, and Nicole Aschoff, managing editor of Jacobin magazine, for a frank discussion of the deeply twisted ways that banks - and capitalism in general - treat consumers. They explain the evil in painstaking detail, prompting Gaby to wonder if it's time to don a tinfoil hat and move to a commune.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
January 18, 2017
Sara Benincasa has battled depression, agoraphobia, and endless Internet haters en route to a career as a writer. It would all be exhausting enough on its own - except, of course, that Sara's had to claw her way to every dollar she's ever made, juggling a hilarious variety of side gigs to feed her addiction to putting words on the page.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
January 11, 2017
Andrew Ti, host of the "Yo, Is This Racist?" podcast, joins Gaby to talk about the ways that money is part of a system which is, in fact, pretty racist. We often assume that earning lots of money helps to erase class distinctions - but as Andrew explains, it actually only makes things more complicated.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
January 4, 2017
Ashley C. Ford tells the story of how she went from being a class anxiety basket case to being slightly less of a class anxiety basket case.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
December 28, 2016
Kevin Allison is the creator of RISK! and a former cast member of MTV's The State. Once The State went off the air, Kevin found himself adrift, broke, and hopeless in New York City at the tender age of 23. He found himself wandering the streets, literally shouting at the heavens, asking when, and how, he was going to find another job. This week, Kevin's harrowing story of how money literally pushed him to the brink.Trigger warning: suicide and eating disorders.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
December 21, 2016
"Welcome to Night Vale" co-writers Joseph Fink and Jeffrey Cranor have created a worldwide phenomenon with their oddball style of audio storytelling. "Night Vale" famously eschews advertising dollars in favor of making a direct appeal to its fans. Their message is simple: "If you love what we make, you should feel good about paying for it." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
December 14, 2016
Eden Dranger and Steve Basilone are just like Gaby - comedians with poor life skills. As we've learned, that's not a great combination when it comes to money. For Eden and Steve, it was particularly bad when their parents died, leaving them in charge of closing out their estates - a process which turns out to be as complicated financially as it is emotionally. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
December 7, 2016
Sydney Leathers was a student in a small town before she became infamous for sexting with former Congressman Anthony Weiner. Now, she proudly and unabashedly earns her living as a sex worker - and she's not interested in your judgement or your redemption narratives, thank you very much. Gaby talks to her about the wild twists in her personal story - and also gets some advice on sex work, just in case this whole podcast thing doesn't work out. Plus: the return of Gaby's sister Cheyanne.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
November 30, 2016
When Gaby left BuzzFeed, a lot of people were confused. Why would anyone leave a job that seemed like a dream-come-true for creatives? The reality, of course, was much more complicated. First, Gaby is joined by Bloomberg's Rebecca Greenfield, who explains that companies like BuzzFeed are often using perks to mask troubling employment practices. Then, Brittany Ashley, who was fired by BuzzFeed under controversial circumstances last summer, sits down with Gaby to try to make sense of how it all went so wrong. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
November 23, 2016
Hank Green is a bonafide media mogul. He's been supporting himself as an artist on the Internet for nearly a decade. Among (many) other things, he's the co-founder of Vidcon, the annual gathering of tens of thousands of YouTubers and their fans. Now he's got something even bigger up his sleeve: the Internet Creators Guild, which aims to band artists together to push back against the ripoffs, scams, and abusive business practices that so many of them face. Plus: economist Jodi Beggs explains why YouTubers would be wise to look to more traditional business models to keep themselves afloat.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
November 16, 2016
An audio essay in which Gaby explains the tortured plight of content creators on YouTube, featuring the voices of some of the medium's most original creators. Too often, Gaby reveals, artists who are simply trying to keep the bills paid are branded as sellouts. Left without much in the way of options or support, many artists are beginning to view the situation as hopeless.This is an audio version of a piece Gaby originally published at Fusion in December of 2015, with editing by Nona Willis Aronowitz. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
November 14, 2016
YouTube content creators basically have two options: get rich or die vlogging.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
November 9, 2016
Stephanie Beatriz grew up as an immigrant kid in Texas, and now she's on top of the world. She shares her surreal and inspiring story with Gaby, as America prepares to reckon with itself as a nation of immigrants following the presidential election. Plus: Why Oh Why host Andrea Silenzi on the depressing economics of breakups.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
November 8, 2016
Stephanie Beatriz (Brooklyn Nine-Nine) joins Gaby to talk about growing up in Texas as an immigrant with risky creative dreams.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
November 2, 2016
Gaby's comedy partner Allison Raskin makes a triumphant return to the podcast to talk about the psychological quandaries of "success," both real and imagined. Plus, Sara Schaefer shares her journey from profligate standup comedian to moderately successful standup comedian - and the peculiar role that stuffed animals have played in her quest.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
October 31, 2016
Sara Schaefer is sick of this ride.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
October 26, 2016
Comedians/wives of each other Cameron Esposito and Rhea Butcher are more than the funniest couple you're likely to meet - they're also a family business. For Rhea, that's meant giving up on the main way she's always defined herself: getting up and going to work every day. Instead, she keeps the house, walks the dog, and keeps her wife sane, while Cameron tours relentlessly, maintaining a steady flow of cash to ensure that there's a house to keep and a dog to walk. But now, with their TV show "Take My Wife" premiering on Seeso, everything is about to change - and they're hoping they can evolve together, the way they always have. But that's anything but a sure thing.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
October 24, 2016
In which Cameron Esposito and Rhea Butcher talk about the challenges of treating their love as a small business.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
October 19, 2016
Gaby gets some basic questions answered by feminist investing guru Sallie Krawcheck and Bloomberg reporter Rebecca Greenfield. In addition to what exactly a stock even is, Gaby discovers that there may be a solution to the gender wage gap that's been been available to women for a long time - we just couldn't see it through the toxic haze of finance bro-jargon. Until now!Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
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