This year has been something, hasn't it? Whew! As 2025 comes to an end, here's a few truths we're sitting with that many of us didn’t have language for before.

In this year-end Zoom with Mari conversation, my friend Hellen and I unpack what overachieving looks like during the holidays, how productivity can quietly replace presence, and why so many high-functioning people struggle to stop, even when the world slows down.

This episode is dedicated to the overachievers who didn’t take a break this holiday season—or any season, not because they didn’t want rest, but because rest didn’t feel safe, earned, or even possible.

It is a gentle closing episode for the year, inviting honesty, self-compassion, and a softer way forward. If you or someone you know struggles with staying still and unproductive, this is the episode for you. As Hellen and I both reflect on why we are both overachievers, our conversation leads us to some uncomfortable truths.

And some end-of-year epiphanies.

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