X-tra Time #15:

— Miklas: "It's depressing to go into politics, because it's already so messed up."

— Toby: "Well, that's exactly why I went into politics in the first place. I didn't like the idea that I was going to be somebody who stands on the sidelines and screams that everything is terrible, like most people do and especially, like most young people do. It's better to have been in the system to see what is actually required to make change happen."

Listen to our conversation with Toby Joshua Fischler, a proud jewish Antwerpian on a quest to find out "why we are the way we are". In this two-part episode we explored structure (hierarchies, meritocracy, politics), chaos (nihilism), and antidotes to chaos (Judaism, religion, reading-writing-speaking).

Mentioned in the Podcast:

- BOOK: The Meritocracy Trap — Daniel Markovits

- BOOK: Reinventing Organizations — Frederic Laloux
- BOOK: How to run a country — Cicero
- BOOK: How to read a book — Mortimer Adler
- Roger Scruton
- Genghis Khan
- Jordan B. Peterson (#again)

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