In this episode Tony interviews Jeff Schwilk of Orniphoto. Jeff travels the world photographing birds and assisting in avian field research. Jeff uses his photography skills to document the disturbing and dangerous American fascist movement from militias participating occupation of Malheur National Wildlife refuge to fascist gangs in the streets of Portland. Jeff and Tony bond over their disdain for authoritarianism and love of Indonesia. Check out Jeff's photos at: https://orniphoto.com/ #orniphoto--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/wildlife-observer-network/support