In this episode, Jennifer and Jeanne talk about the conversion stories associated with Saul, who became known as Paul, after he went from being a Jewish Roman citizen who arrested followers of "the Way," to a primary messenger for the Way modeled by Jesus, proclaiming the sonship of Jesus to non-Jewish peoples. Your co-hosts also explore a poem by Nick Flynn, a living American poet who took inspiration from the Saul/Paul story, among other things, for his poem "Harbor (conversion)."