You know us: We’re highly critical about everything that smells of sayings that go in the category of “inspirational quotes”. Nevertheless, this episode is about the controversial topic of peace in the midst of trauma. How is that possible? Is it even possible?

My guest, Barbara Gaughen Muller, talks about her experience of SHIT hitting the fan when floods and mudflows destroyed parts of her neighborhood, taking lives and homes. She says: Yes, there was peace.

Barbara is president of the United Nations Association, book author, entrepreneur and organizer of  the Rotary World Peace Conference 2016. Her latest book is called “Revolutionary Conversations”.