Chris and Xand continue their conversation about nature with Baroness Kathy Willis, Professor of Biodiversity at Oxford University.

They look a little deeper into the relationship between nature and our health and wellbeing. They also discuss Kathy's thoughts on how society interacts with nature. These insights go beyond the science to explore the bigger picture of our relationship with the natural world. Plus, they discuss what we can be doing to help the natural world in return for helping us.

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Presenters: Drs Chris and Xand van Tulleken

Guest: Professor Kathy WillisProducers: Rami Tzabar and Maia Miller-LewisExecutive Producer: Jo RowntreeEditor: Kirsten LassResearcher: Grace RevillTech Lead: Reuben HuxtableSocial Media: Leon GowerDigital Lead: Richard BerryComposer: Phoebe McFarlaneSound Design: Melvin Rickarby

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Assistant Commissioner: Greg SmithCommissioning Editor: Rhian Roberts

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