Why do all the research and rhetoric around drug use focus on the small percentage of problematic users, leaving the vast majority of drug users out of the conversation? Why are we so shitty at talking about pleasure in America? Why don’t more people take their cats camping? Dr. Ingrid Walker is here to help us tackle these questions, as we explore drugs, pleasure, trauma, menopause, and bad portrayals of getting high in popular culture. After the interview, Joy and Sarah talk about sex for a hot minute. Note: We would like to apologize to rock n roll for its exclusion from this episode. FOLLOW INGRID https://ingridkwalker.com/Ingrid’s Ted Talkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p4zw4_qgUwHigh: Drugs, Desire, and a Nation of Usershttps://bookshop.org/books/high-drugs-desire-and-a-nation-of-users/9780295742328FEATURED MUSIC: “Dreaming Awake” and “The Waking World” by Lola Darling, and “miseraine” by Lauren Flynn, courtesy of the artists. LOLA DARLINGhttps://lolajeandarling.bandcamp.com/album/dream-queenhttps://www.instagram.com/lolajeandoesart/?hl=enLAUREN FLYNNhttps://www.laurenflynnwastaken.com/https://laurenflynn.bandcamp.com/album/outside-one-girl