Joaquín Guzmán operated in Mexico’s shadows for decades. His trial is shining a spotlight on who the man is and the chaos he sowed on a country . How are Mexicans dealing with the explosive allegations made against former presidents? And what are we all missing by sensationalizing the drug lord's trial?

Guest: León Krauze, Columnist for Slate, co-host of Trumpcast, and news anchor for Univision.

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Podcast production by Mary Wilson, Jayson De Leon, and Anna Martin.

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