We're joined by first time guest Bobby Campbell, creator of the beautiful comic book adaptation of Robert Anton Wilson's Illuminatus! Trilogy, Tales of the Illuminatus! as well as many, many other wonderful things. We also have back with us long time friend of the show Gabriel Kennedy, author of Chapel Perilous: The Life and Thought Crimes of Robert Anton Wilson.Together we dig into some ideas about how we can make sense of things, stay sane, and win when the times get tough. Along the way we talk about why people are attracted to certainty over nuance, the ways that media and outright propaganda can shape our perception, and ultimately how Discordianism and RAW's Maybe Logic can cut through the noise.The topics range widely with a crowd like this. We dip into how RAW differs from a lot of superficially similar cultural figures. While scams, cults, and thought leaders (cringe) might identify real problems, they almost inevitably just end up replacing the status quo with their own half-baked ideas. RAW purposely went a different way. Instead of spoon feeding a replacement belief system, he encouraged people to stick with questioning and to keep interrogating reality (my words).We also bump into chaos theory, get into some gritty details about Discordianism, its founder Kerry Thornley (aka Omar Khayyam Ravenhurst, aka Ho Chi Zen) and how he happened to know Lee Harvey Oswald before Kennedy's assassination, and so many other fun digressions.Inevitably, we keep coming back to the conclusion the chaos is unavoidable but how we respond to it is not. Instead of suffering under its weight, our time is better spent influencing our worlds with intention and valuing curiosity over certainty.Editor's comment:We had more than a few internet connection problems during this conversation. Gabriel enters and leaves like a chaos apparition throughout the episode. The unaffected of us were probably much more entertained by this than he was. But since he's a real pro, he didn't let it get him down. You, the listener, shouldn't either.Find Bob Campbell's work:https://www.bobbycampbell.nethttps://www.etsy.com/shop/WeirdoverseGiftShophttps://talesofilluminatus.com/https://x.com/RGC777https://bsky.app/profile/bobbycampbell.netBobby's Illuminatus! Kickstarterhttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bobbycampbell/tales-of-illuminatus-3-opus-chaoFind Gabriel Kennedy's work:https://chapelperilous.ushttps://gabrielpatrickkennedy.substack.com/https://bsky.app/profile/propanon.bsky.socialMusic: Airglow - Spliff and Wesson (CC-BY)Fly your crypto-leftist flag with our personal love letter to Juan José Arévalo, philosopher and socialist president of Guatemala, and the airline he nationalized.wetwired.printful.me/