Eugene Hütz of Gogol Bordello and their new record We Mean It, Man! isn't just a clever name. Raised on punk rock and all that came after it in Kyiv, Ukraine, the band - merging punk, gypsy music, techno, post-punk and more - brings electric energy musically and conscious power lyrically.

Eugene reflects on friends fighting on the frontlines in Ukraine, the spiritual resilience of people at war, and what it means to "make life possible again" after devastation. We talk Joe Strummer, Nick Cave, Bernard Sumner, Fela Kuti, post-punk lineage, and the alchemy of working with legendary producer Nick Launay.

From punk scenes in Kyiv built on smuggled tapes with no chronology, to the philosophy of protest, rebuilding after catastrophe, and why beavers may have done more good for the planet than humans - this is a conversation about music as frequency, resistance, inheritance and survival.

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