Frank is the CTO of Phase2 Technology, an ultra runner, and a family man. He joins us to chat about the pain of running a really long way, punishing yourself to teach yourself to appreciate the highs of live, what the "tech lead" role actually means, and how to get people to use and read docs instead of immediately asking questions in Slack.

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