Today's conversation features Trebbe Johnson who is the author of Radical Joy for Hard Times: Finding Meaning and Making Beauty in Earth's Broken Places, The World Is a Waiting Lover: Desire and the Quest for the Beloved, and 101 Ways to Make Guerrilla Beauty, as well as many articles and essays that explore the human bond with nature. She is also the founder and director of the global community Radical Joy for Hard Times, devoted to finding and making beauty in wounded places.

Our conversation touches on the relationship between humans and nature, beauty, grief touched by beauty, and the power we have to make and notice beauty anywhere and at all times.