It was a real honor for me to be a guest on Lisa Michaels wonderful podcast, Flipflops, Glitter, and Theology.

Redefining Worship was the topic of the hour and we had a great conversation. With her permission I am sharing our conversation here.

https://open.spotify.com/track/7obm999HFmp7qSbmTrqlD8?si=3DH9P5eYR7C7jlPne3Uzhw