In this episode of Unsettling Knowledge, Amanda Annemans speaks with filmmakers Alexine Gabriels and Emma-Lee Amponsah about their work with the grass-roots media collective 'Black Speaks Back' and its recent project: the poetic short film 'Zwarte Ibis'. Zwarte Ibis explores black intimacy, navigating the blurred boundaries between sexuality and intimacy. Join us in a conversation about the vulnerability and community-engagement involved in filmmaking. We ask Emma-Lee and Alexine about their quest to challenge stereotypical depictions of 'blackness', and reveal the intimacy of not always understanding. Find more information about Black Speaks Back on their website: www. Blackspeaksback.com and follow their instagram at @blackspeaksback