In this episode of ‘SHN: The Podcast’, Annelotte Janse interviews Stefano Lissi about his research to the transnational history between Italian an German nationalists in the 19th century.‘Security History Network: The Podcast,’ a series of podcast episodes produced by the Security History Network in collaboration with Utrecht University. The series exists of conversations between experts in the field of Security History from the nineteenth century and beyond. Security analysts, historians and social scientists from around the world are interviewed by the core members of the network with the aim of exploring connections across disciplines from area studies tot social psychology, and from medicine to digital humanities. More episodes can be found on securityhistorynetwork.com/podcasts/ . With special thanks to our guests and Annegreet Silvius for the creation of the jingle.