In Episode 2, Gregg welcomes Layman Pascal. The title is taken from the opening exchange, where the two set the bar of expectation for what follows. Layman recounts his journey into philosophy and mysticism and his desire to connect many perspectives together. The linkages between metamodernism, integral theory, and the UTOK metapsychology are explored, and they highlight possible visions for a religion that is not a religion in the 21st Century.