Layne talks to legendary thriller author Tess Gerritsen about the unlikeable female character she just couldn’t kill off, the secret to keeping a long-running series feeling fresh, and why older women make the best spies (and serial killers).

Listen to Me, the 13th book in her popular Rizzoli & Isles series is out now (and click here for a complete list of the books in order, if you want to start from the beginning).

Also mentioned in this episode:

• Blood Water Paint by Joy McCullough
• Tess’s medical thriller Harvest
• Choose Me co-written by Tess and Gary Braver

Find out more about Tess on her website, Instagram, or Twitter.

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