The Two Vague Podcast
The Two Vague Podcast
Ben Cheknis
Episode 142 - Deck
1 hour 1 minutes Posted Dec 21, 2025 at 2:21 am.
Norah’s trailer impressions, additional research, and previous deck-builder games
Jumping the gun on describing game mechanics, and various trailer approaches
StarVaders according to the Pengonauts website, and more details the game loop
Mech types, an introduction to DOOM, junk cards, and a tremendous variety
Norah’s question, the mysterious Overseer, level boss diversity, and the true ending
The “grid,” Ben describes some boss encounters, Norah’s brain, and satisfaction
Joystick Ventures, only on Steam for now, like playing chess, and LocalThunk teaser
Introducing game dev Eddie Kai, Ben loves StarVaders, and thanking LocalThunk
Some Rogue Climber talk, unlocking the beach DLC, and getting great reviews
On to the definition, sunbathing, not a baseball guy, and a couple of two-plankers
Skis on ice, no memory of old media, packet of cards or narcotics, and decoration
Old-timey verbs, origin mysteries, and a fictitious deli honors Eddie’s gaming legacy
A sandwich called “The Burger,” rogue-like, defining a game, and playing burgers
Definitions of food items, a Portal into game design, and the narrative condiments
Dead authors, Ben’s burger discussion equivalent, and preferred genres of media
Card collection and tabletop games, and Monopoly—deck builder or engine builder
Extreme specificity, differences in instructional approaches, and being a blacksmith
Art or product, traditional card games, the Star Wars bread, and changing rules
Chopsticks, floating nausea malls, baseball haircuts, and Eddie’s final thoughts
Literally, Parks and Recreation, Ben’s final thoughts, studio names, and Pengo
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Show notes
We have a combo episode for you this week centered around the amazing game StarVaders. In the introduction segment, Ben describes his game experiences to Norah and answers her questions. Spoiler alert: by the end of the conversation she is sold, so now she just needs to get a Steam Deck. In the second segment, Ben showers the StarVaders game designer Eddie with praise before getting into a fascinating discussion about a sandwich-centric philosophical debate on video game design and the odd assortment of definitions for the topic word.
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Pre-show discussion and review of StarVaders with Norah
Interview with Eddie, creator of StarVaders and all-around good guy
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References, Links, and Tags
Check out Pengonauts’ official page and StarVaders on Steam
https://pengonauts.com/
https://star-vaders.com/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2097570/StarVaders/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgEh9mWKrdo
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