How Speculation Became a Global Pastime: Howard Lindzon and Katie Perry on the Degenerate Economy from Trends with Friends

How Speculation Became a Global Pastime: Howard Lindzon and Katie Perry on the Degenerate Economy

27 minutes Posted Aug 14, 2025 at 5:00 pm.

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Howard is joined by Katie Perry to dive headfirst into the "Degenerate Economy", a term he coined to describe the collision of speculation, vice, free time, and mobile tech. From the sin stocks of the 1980s to Robinhood, crypto, and Zyn pouches, this conversation unpacks how financial speculation has morphed into mainstream entertainment. They explore why the post-COVID world unleashed a wave of retail trading, how platforms like Twitter and Discord are the new Wild West saloons, and what it means when money becomes religion. Plus, Howard shares his own investment thesis behind the Degenerate Economy Index, including why CME, Philip Morris, and even Bitcoin make the cut. A must-watch for anyone wondering how speculation, technology, and culture are reshaping capitalism.Join Our Community! https://stocktwits.com/Sign up for our daily FREE newsletter to keep in touch with the market: https://thedailyrip.stocktwits.com/Chapters

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