John Vervaeke & Jonathan Pageau - AI Discussion from Transfigured

John Vervaeke & Jonathan Pageau - AI Discussion

1 hour 22 minutes Posted Jun 1, 2026 at 4:47 pm.

Introduction & Setting the Table00:01:46 - John’s Opening: The Plateau & Disconnection of LLMs00:07:25 - Jonathan’s Opening: The Threat to Gen Z & Career Paths00:09:43 - The Moloch Trap & Geopolitical Hyper-Competition00:13:55 - What is AI Decadence? (Model Collapse Explained)00:16:45 - The Superhuman Coding Illusion & Real-World Feedback Loops00:25:36 - Ontological Fumbling: Is AI a Tool or an Agent?00:33:47 - Civilizational Collapse & Automated Bureaucracy00:43:06 - The Rise of Sex Robots: Why Vice is Quantifiable and Virtue is Not00:51:56 - The Pope’s Encyclical: Tower of Babel vs. Walls of Jerusalem01:04:33 - Can a Spirit Get Inside Silicon? AI as an Oracle01:14:05 - Reversing the Flynn Effect: Restoring Wisdom Through Classical Education

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Jonathan Pageau ( @JonathanPageau ) and Dr. John Vervaeke ( @johnvervaeke ) talk about the current state of Artificial Intelligence.Midwestuary Conference Video Repository - @Midwestuary2025 We mention Tiago Faleiro, Larry Ellison, artificial intelligence, large language models, AI plateau, model collapse, technical debt, cognitive debt, relevance realization, Moloch problem, human wisdom, classical education, automated bureaucracy, vice quantification, Flynn effect, IQ decline, AI alignment, silicon sage, Golem narrative, technology ethics, media psychology, digital degradation, data cleaning, automated agents, cognitive science, philosophy of technology, Transfigured podcast, Sam, John Vervaeke, Jonathan Pageau, Thiago Felierro, Larry Ellison, Pope Francis, Joseph Tainter and more.

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