Dan Kois is an editor at Slate and a

contributing writer to the New York Times magazine. He's the author of Facing

Future, a book in the 33⅓ series of music criticism,and the co-author (with Isaac Butler) of The World Only Spins

Forward, an oral history of the play Angels inAmerica, a winner of a Stonewall Book Honor from the ALA. His memoir ofparenting around the world, How to Be a Family,will be published in September 2019 by Little, Brown.

Dan and Michael talk about mixtape evangelism, the discomfort of growth,

celebrating difference, first concerts, and creating memories.

Dan’s Five Songs.

• A Perfect Circle [MTV
  Unplugged] by R.E.M.
• Strange Loop
  by Liz Phair.
• Deeper Into Movies by
  Yo La Tengo.
• Follow Your Arrow by
  Kacey Musgraves.
• Green Light by Lorde.

Show Notes.

How to Be a Family. Dan’s book about his family’s

year-long trip around the world.

Facing Future. Dan’s 33⅓ book about Israel

Kamakawiwo’ole.

The World Only Spins Forward. Dan's book with Isaac

Butler about Angels in America.

R.E.M. vs. U2. Dan’s early essay about the rivalry he perceived between U2

and R.E.M.

Slate Podcast Mom and Dad are

Fighting.