We talk with and about their paper “.” In our conversation, we touch upon doing ethnographies, establishing collaborations with industry firms, and how a paper changes through the review process. van den Broek, E., Sergeeva, A., & Huysman, M. (2021). When the Machine Meets the Expert: An Ethnography of Developing AI for Hiring. MIS Quarterly, 45(3), 1557-1580.