On this episode, we talk with Frank Chimero, Creative Director at Fictive Kin, and author of the book ‘The Shape of Design’. Frank talks about how he found design by using it as a foothold to have a deeper relationship with the things he really enjoyed, how designers have the opportunity to teach a commitment and expectation of craft and quality to fellow disciplines, about the value in experience outside of efficiency, and how work and experiences are cyclical in nature.