On this episode, we talk with Catherine Lim and Jennifer Cheng. Catherine is a UX Researcher at 98point6, and Jennifer is a UX Lead Product Designer at IQVIA. Catherine and Jenn each talk about their journey to design, their shared critical lens on the design discipline, and their resistance to the pipeline of design school to the mainstream commercial industry. They also discuss how this critical lens, along with a funding opportunity and hearing an interview by an undocumented immigration activist, led to the motivation to create Archivo: A self documentation toolkit. Archivo, designed in partnership with Maru and local community partners, was a project which provided a guide for undocumented people to collect and organize paperwork to prove their continued presence in the U.S.