Recorded 4/30/2020, prior to the May 25th death of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis police. Judy Williams audited Dr. Michael Hicks' Centenary class "Doing Race" during the spring term. Interrupted by COVID and continued on Zoom, the class delved into the heart of our country's racial divide. Early in the Spring, Judy approached Thomas and me, suggesting an interview with Dr. Hicks on the origin of such a class, its objectives, and its takeaways, to occur after the semester drew to a close. The discussion between Judy and Dr. Hicks took place on April 30, 2020.