The U.S.-China tech relationship has always been complex and intertwined. In the last few years, the United States and China have been undergoing a partial “decoupling”. With the two countries reducing their technological interdependence between each other, we could end up with two separate, competing technological domains. So, what does a decoupling in tech look like? And how should the United States decouple to make sure it comes out on top?<a href="https://twitter.com/JonKBateman">Jon Bateman</a>, a fellow in Carnegie’s Technology and International Affairs Program who was a former intelligence officer in the Defense Department, joins Doug to unpack his new report on U.S.-China tech decoupling.Follow Doug on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/DouglasLFarrar">@DouglasLFarrar</a>. <ol><li>Jon Bateman. (2022, April 25). <a href="https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/04/25/u.s.-china-technological-decoupling-strategy-and-policy-framework-pub-86897">“U.S.-China Technological “Decoupling”: A Strategy and Policy Framework.”</a> Carnegie Endowment for International Peace</li></ol>

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