Guest host <a href="https://twitter.com/JarrettBlanc">Jarrett Blanc</a> talks to <a href="https://carnegieendowment.org/experts/1014">Carnegie President Bill Burns</a>. They discuss how the coronavirus pandemic will impact foreign affairs and how to deploy disciplined American diplomacy to mitigate its impacts. They also discuss the new afterword in the paperback edition of Bill's memoir, <a href="https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/01/25/back-channel-memoir-of-american-diplomacy-and-case-for-its-renewal-pub-78072">The Back Channel: A Memoir of American Diplomacy and the Case for Its Renewal</a>.

Saudi Arabia and Iran: The Defining Rivalry of the Middle East

The World Unpacked is a weekly podcast where insiders, intellectuals, and iconoclasts dive deep into the most pressing global issues. In a time of violent convulsions and heady new possibilities, host Jon Bateman mixes it up with the thinkers making sense of what’s happening and the power brokers building what comes next. Tune in for lively, free-wheeling conversations with some of the world’s most interesting and informed people.