John and Martin are joined by the new director of Lake Ann Camp, Pastor Ben Rudolph. Ben brings over 25 years of ministry to the conversation, as a youth pastor, church planter and in counseling. In this conversation, he shares some of his changed life story and how it intersects with the power of camps and retreats in getting people out of normal routines and into a space to encounter God in fresh ways.

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