The Symbolic World
The Symbolic World
Jonathan Pageau
481 - Dr. Diana Pasulka - The New Religion
1 hour 18 minutes Posted Sep 16, 2026 at 2:00 pm.
– Coming up01:58 – Introduction02:52 – How a Religious Studies Scholar Ended Up Studying UFOs08:52 – UFOs as Religious and Spiritual Phenomena13:25 – A Demonological History of the World14:41 – The Mythology and Narrative of UFOs16:38 – Why Governments Use UFO Disinformation20:56 – Technology, Magic, and Non-Human Intelligence24:22 – Aliens, Demons, and the Modern Image of the “Grey”27:43 – Psychedelics and Encounters With Other Beings30:19 – AI as an Alien Intelligence32:02 – UFOs and the Promise of a New Revelation34:29 – Spielberg and the Alien as Saviour38:35 – Arthur C. Clarke, Demons, and Childhood’s End40:50 – Transhumanism vs. Christian Transfiguration45:42 – God’s Dog: Monk46:42 – Aliens as Our Future, “Evolved” Selves49:06 – How the Alien Narrative Collides With Christianity52:36 – Project Stargate, Remote Viewing, and Psychic Espionage56:18 – Why Is the AI Project Also Called “Stargate”?57:30 – 2001: A Space Odyssey, AI, and UFO Disclosure01:01:29 – AI Is Feeding on Us01:03:00 – How Should Christians Respond?01:06:26 – AI Cannot Give Us Transcendence01:08:42 – Recovering the Spiritual Senses01:10:39 – Isolation Makes Us Vulnerable to Propaganda01:11:39 – Diana’s Next Book on Christianity01:13:00 – The Noosphere, the Singularity, and an Apocalyptic Moment01:17:06 – Christianity Makes Us More Human01:18:20 – Conclusion
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I finally sit down with Diana Pasulka to talk about UFOs, alien intelligence, AI, psychedelics, transhumanism, and the strange religious framework forming around all of them. We look at how these phenomena overlap with older spiritual categories, and why the promise of technological transcendence may be a counterfeit of something Christianity already understands.YouTube version: https://youtu.be/6TqYxG9gxwcHer books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/D.W.-Pasulka/author/B07NL6KZN5Join Dr. Zac Porcu for his course, A Demonological History of the World: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/a-demonological-history-of-the-world 6 weeks, 12 hoursPrice: Only $120, and Involved patrons can get 10% off. Apply your discount code at checkout.Live classes: Sep 15 - Oct 20Pre-Order GodsDog: Monk now and/or get volumes 1 and 2 on sale! https://store.thesymbolicworld.com/collections/godsdog🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribeTimestamps:00:00 – Coming up01:58 – Introduction02:52 – How a Religious Studies Scholar Ended Up Studying UFOs08:52 – UFOs as Religious and Spiritual Phenomena13:25 – A Demonological History of the World14:41 – The Mythology and Narrative of UFOs16:38 – Why Governments Use UFO Disinformation20:56 – Technology, Magic, and Non-Human Intelligence24:22 – Aliens, Demons, and the Modern Image of the “Grey”27:43 – Psychedelics and Encounters With Other Beings30:19 – AI as an Alien Intelligence32:02 – UFOs and the Promise of a New Revelation34:29 – Spielberg and the Alien as Saviour38:35 – Arthur C. Clarke, Demons, and Childhood’s End40:50 – Transhumanism vs. Christian Transfiguration45:42 – God’s Dog: Monk46:42 – Aliens as Our Future, “Evolved” Selves49:06 – How the Alien Narrative Collides With Christianity52:36 – Project Stargate, Remote Viewing, and Psychic Espionage56:18 – Why Is the AI Project Also Called “Stargate”?57:30 – 2001: A Space Odyssey, AI, and UFO Disclosure01:01:29 – AI Is Feeding on Us01:03:00 – How Should Christians Respond?01:06:26 – AI Cannot Give Us Transcendence01:08:42 – Recovering the Spiritual Senses01:10:39 – Isolation Makes Us Vulnerable to Propaganda01:11:39 – Diana’s Next Book on Christianity01:13:00 – The Noosphere, the Singularity, and an Apocalyptic Moment01:17:06 – Christianity Makes Us More Human01:18:20 – Conclusion