The co-founder of Basecamp and creator of Ruby on Rails is with me on the show today. David Heinemeier Hansson and I sat down to talk about how he creates, works out, his philosophy on work and life, and what's it's like to write 4 books! Side note: this episode may change the way you think about a lot of things. It sure did for me.

I'm not going to write a lot of show notes for this episode because you just have to listen. It's a great conversation where David dives deep into each question I ask him.

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