Shawn finds an 8-year-old goal he set way back in 2014, so he and Maile spend some time talking about it. Maile shares her perspective when it comes to goal-setting in the midst of raising six children. Welcome to the Smucker dinner table! 

They also talk about a scary experiment Shawn is going to be doing over at shawnsmucker.substack.com. Plus, a few books they're enjoying these days.