Shawn talks about his favorite book on writing and how it first came into his possession. Maile talks about, in Anne Lamott's words, at first believing minor repairs are needed on her novel, looking out the window, and realizing that actually the wrecking ball had arrived.

They both discuss how, at the end of the day, the actual creating is the thing--not the publishing or the reviews or the awards. Not the rejection or the critics or the disappointments. The writing is what we always come back to.