<p>We chat to Matthew Kallman of the band <a href="https://realestate.bandcamp.com" target="_blank">Real Estate</a> about ordering records from paper catalogs in the '90s, adaptability, music biographies, the cultish earnestness of The Blue Nile, instrumental music, Real Estate's new album <a href="https://realestate.bandcamp.com/album/the-main-thing" target="_blank">The Main Thing</a>, and his work as music supervisor for the new HBO miniseries <a href="https://www.hbo.com/i-know-this-much-is-true" target="_blank">I Know This Much Is True</a>.</p>

Chris Harding Thornton--Playlist

Hosted by Joshua James Amberson, Karleigh Frisbie Brogan, and Jeff Alessandrelli in Portland, Oregon, The Steer features leading musicians talking about their favorite writers and books and leading writers talking about their favorite musicians and albums. Conversations often go elsewhere and following each talk is a playlist of songs or sounds discussed during the interview. New episodes drop every two weeks.