Keith and Jamie round out 2016! Keith realizes that he doesn't know how mics work and once again failed to finish his Docker course. Jamie takes steps to move off of Heroku by learning Docker (using CoderJourney!). The landing page for http://callback.run is up, and the API is coming along nicely. Work on conversations continues (onto the next two weeks). Our heroes discuss how hard estimation seems to be. Ending the episode with meta discussion about launching the podcast.