Jen and Julie, along with their guest Babs, talk about the experience of being a parent trying to put their child through the education system. The challenges that come with being special needs, along with the bureaucracy at play by those in charge have made it difficult for Babs to find the right place for her son to flourish, This along with "The List" is what has attempted to hold her and her son back, and is the topic of today's episode.

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