In this episode, I sit down with Mr. Ian Smith, co-owner of Atilis Gym in New Jersey who was at the center of a national media firestorm for continuing to remain open despite of all of the state and local mandates during Rona 2020. 

We get into everything from why people are so weak to stand up for themselves to why do people continue to celebrate mediocrity? Why don't people work out? Why are we okay with the bare minimum. All this and much more.... tune in! 

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