Last week, Marshall interviewed former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, American Action Forum President and former Director of the Congressional Budget Office Douglas Holtz-Eakin, and Gallup Senior Researcher Christos Makridis at the Aspen Ideas Festival: Economy in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Their conversation focused on how the disempowered political center should respond to the rise of economic populism on the left and right. A clear consensus emerged that the center's challenge lies not merely in articulating a policy response but also in navigating the political dynamics of an anti-status quo moment in global politics.