When life gets tough, Win Butler’s survival instincts kick in and he turns to music. That’s what happened during one of his first bouts of depression as a teenager, and then again when the pandemic began and he needed to find some hope and a bit of safety. It’s when working through those feelings and experiences that he writes some of his best songs. Win and Tom talk about a few things, like: is there a deeper, more spiritual side to falling in love with music? How do you write a hopeful song during a pandemic? And what’s it like becoming a huge, indie music-defining band in your early 20s? Listen to find out.