<p>Ben has a hot take that Ryan and a caller don't like...</p>

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25. Optimism Killed the Bear?

On January 10th, 2022, Ben Hansen and Ryan Mathews got together and decided that the podcast they've talked about for months should finally come to fruition. 
After meeting in their junior year of high school, the boys haven't stopped talking about football. Thanks to the Pigskin Project, these conversations are recorded and provided for your enjoyment. Enjoy.